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Well, welcome to the Burnie City Council

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public meeting tonight. Welcome to those

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in our gallery. We'll begin at 7:00.

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Now, I might invite our Deputy Mayor,

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Giovanna Simpson, to please do the

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acknowledgement of country.

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Thank you, Mayor Brumby. The Burnie City

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Council acknowledges that every part of

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Australia is, always, and always will be

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Aboriginal land. The Burnie City Council

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pays respect to the Pakana Palawa

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original owners and cultural custodians

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of all the lands and waters across

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Trouwanna Lutruwita Tasmania upon which

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Pataway Burnie is situated and where our

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council meets.

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Thanks Deputy Mayor. Please be advised

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that the opening session of council

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meeting is video recorded and

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live streamed.

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I'm required to commence all of our

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meetings with the following opening

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statement. In accordance with regulation

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8 of the local government meeting

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procedures regulations 2025,

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all persons attending the meeting are to

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be respectful of and considerate towards

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other persons attending the meeting.

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Language and conduct at the meeting that

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could be perceived as offensive,

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defamatory, or threatening to a person

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attending the meeting or listening to

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the recording is not acceptable.

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Now, I'd like to invite  Reverend Jen

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Herkott from the Burnie Anglican Church

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to open for us in prayer. Thanks,

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Reverend.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Let's  let's bow our heads in prayer.

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Most gracious God, sovereign Lord of

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all, we thank you for all the employees

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and workers of the Burnie City Council.

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from those who work in our refuge

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station through to our planning works,

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from those who do public works through

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to office works. Lord, we thank you for

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their service. We pray that you will

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bless them, that you will bless the work

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of their hands, and that you will bless

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their families as they continue to work

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diligently for our city. We thank you

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for all of our elected officials. We

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thank you for the way in which they work

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for our community. We thank you for the

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way that they lead us forward and for

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the way they seek the common good. Lord,

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when you speak, there is light and life.

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And so we pray now for this meeting of

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the Burnie City Council.

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We pray as they meet this evening that

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they will be filled with your presence,

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that they will listen to each other with

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grace, that they will speak the truth in

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humility and love. Grant the barriers

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which divide may crumble that all which

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is accomplished here may bring unity,

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truth, and justice. Lord, we pray that

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the good of our community will be

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sought, that families, that businesses,

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that individuals will feel heard. Lord,

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direct the work that is done here this

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evening and influence decisions that

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will serve our city and the overall good

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of our whole community. We pray this in

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the name of Christ. Amen.

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Thank you, Reverend.

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Councilors, do we have any declarations

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of interest tonight?

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Councelor Boyd.

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Yes. On  A40-26,

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the Tasmanian Planning Scheme on page

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16.

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Thank you, Councelor Boyd. That's noted.

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Any other declarations of interest?

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Okay, we move on to the confirmation of

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minutes of the open session.

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Sorry, we might just get clarification

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before we move on  for the number.

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Councelor Boyd, I might just get you to

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have another little look for

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confirmation of the number of that item.

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It's not ringing true for us.

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Did I do a 040-26?

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Have I got the right one? Page 44.

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Okay. Beg your pardon. A44-26.

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That one on page 34. Beg your pardon.

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Wonderful. Thanks, Councelor Boyd.

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Okay.

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Wrong mark.

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Thanks. Good pick up there for from our

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GM on to page 10, confirmation of

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minutes of the open session of meeting

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of council held on the 24th of February.

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Thanks councelor Aitken moving that and

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seconded councelor Grave. Any 

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comments or questions on that? I'll put

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the motion. All those in favor, please

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raise your right hand. Thank you. That's

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unanimous. Councelor Boyd, you may turn

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your microphone off.  public questions

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on notice. I advise that public

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questions received by 5:00 p.m. Tuesday

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the 17th of March were treated as public

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questions on notice and are contained in

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this agenda together with their

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responses.

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Now we move to public questions without

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notice. Public questions without notice

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is for questions received after 5:00pm

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 Tuesday but before 5:00 p.m. Friday

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prior to the council meeting. You need

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to be present at the council meeting to

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ask your question. The first here was

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submitted by Gordon Russell. Is Gordon

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in the gallery this evening?

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No. We'll move on do we have Lee

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Atkinson of Burnie here this evening?

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No.

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Michael Chamley. Is Michael here this

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evening? Yes. Michael, if you wouldn't

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mind taking to the microphone and

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reading your question for us.

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Things too.

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Oh, yes. Absolutely. Yes. If you'd like

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to ask them at the same time or

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separate, whatever suits you.

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I think I've got it wrapped down

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correctly

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is in the council's budget expenditure

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of $17.5 million and upgrades to the CBD

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and surrounding areas. Is the 17.5

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million fully funded from government

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grants, borrowings or from rates in the

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financial year 2627

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or is it planned to do the upgrades in

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the CBD and surrounds over more than 26

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27 27 28 and spent out and spread out

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expenditure over that period as it and

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at the end will it all have been fully

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paid off at the end of 26 27 or 2728?

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We might answer that one first if that's

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right Michael it will make more sense in

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the context. Um, I'll invite our GM to

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respond.

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Mayor, thank you for the question

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so council has received a grant from the

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Tasmanian state government  for $17.3

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million. Um, so all of that money that

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you refer to is state government

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funding and the grant deed says

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that's to support council to complete

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the first stages of its urban master

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plan, including improvements to the arts

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and cultural precinct, upgrading the

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streetscape around the retail center,

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and create better connections activation

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for future enhancement opportunities for

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the waterfront. Um, so we receive will

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will receive two installments of 8.65

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million. One of those we've received

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already the other we're expecting

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to receive before the end of the

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financial year.  those funds are

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scheduled in accordance with the grant

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deed to be expended by 31st of December

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2027.

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So any funds beyond that and any

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projects remaining  in the urban plan

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um will need to be funded via council 

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council's reserves cash reserves or

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would seek um further external funding

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beyond that.

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Yep.

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The other question is the has the

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council outsourced the day to day running

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of the tip site

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through Mayor.  simple answer to that is

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is yes. Um so we have joined um the

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Northwest Resource Recovery and

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Recycling Regional Alliance um and

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therefore able to benefit from shared

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regional contracts and state waste grant

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levy grants. Um so Dolbertton

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subcontractors now operate the waste

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transfer and resource recovery center.

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um in including the the toll booth um

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and we deliver the same service while

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supporting  new regional and statewide

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initiatives that will help divert more

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waste from landfill in smarter, more

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efficient ways.

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I need to know. Thank you. No problem.

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Thanks, Mr. Chairley.

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Okay. Council will now meet as a

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planning authority and I advise that for

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item A40-26,

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council is acting as a planning

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authority under the provisions of the

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Land Use Planning and Approvals Act

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1993.

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On page 16, there's a recommendation

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there before you. Do I have a mover or a

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seconder, please? Councelor Keegan

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moving that. Councelor Dorsey seconding.

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Councelor Keagan, do you wish to speak?

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, thank you. Just a a question to

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begin with.

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I'm not sure what page it's on, but

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throughout the report, it references the

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um, excuse me, the extension for the

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review of the LPS um, being reliant upon

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what will be in the updated Cradle Coast

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land use strategy. Um

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that strategy has been being reviewed

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for

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a considerable amount of time um as far

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as I'm aware over a decade now. It's

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been under revision  and has been

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forthcoming for that period of time.

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A couple of questions then. What's the

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likelihood in your view that that

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regional land use strategy will actually

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come to fruition at some point in the

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near future? And what are the

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ramifications if for example we do

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request an extension? We are successful

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in that extension

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but we find ourselves in a situation

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again where that extension lapses

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because we still don't have the regional

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land use strategy.

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I'd like you to

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 through May I I'll start and if

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there's anything to add um please do but

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we are the first council that has gone

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through this review process. So in in um

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many respects it is a we are leading the

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way. that there's some unknowns  in

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that regard. But um look, I'm very

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confident the Crater Coast regional land

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use strategy will be delivered  in the

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near future. Um the um I guess the

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impetus behind that is now better than

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it has been for quite some time. Um and

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very confident that within this calendar

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year at the latest um yeah, it will be

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delivered. We're seeing good progress in

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recent months in particular. Um and

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draft documents are coming through for

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us to review um yeah, as we speak. So um

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to answer your question, yeah, very

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comfortable um that we will see um an

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outcome with that particular document

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soon. Um and I do recognize that it has

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tAitken some time to get to this point.

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Yeah.

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And just the follow-up question to that

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then, if for whatever reason it is not

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completed and we do gain an extension

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and then that extension period lapses,

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what is the outcome then? Do we simply

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ask for an additional extension?

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Yeah, it might be better that I

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handle this one. I am actually a member

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of the project group of the reg the

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cradle crash regional land use strategy.

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So

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to give full context on the it's been

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about 5 years since the start of the

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review up until now. So the first part

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of that 5 years was to actually amend

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our current document. it was it included

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a a whole heap of roadblocks that no one

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on the coast could get any scheme

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amendments through. So the priority one

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was to amend the current document, but

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an amendment is just that. It's only

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minor changes to what we already had. So

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um it was just some thoughtful

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rewardings and so forth that took that

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doom and gloom era of the 2010s and

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brought us into a more prosperous time.

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The last two or three years has been

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obtaining

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um consultant reports so forth that

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we're we were required to do and the

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coming

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um well the previous 6 months and the

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coming 6 months is all around the

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drafting of the report. I can advise the

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first draft of the settlement strategy

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is done and the first draft of the

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regional land use strategy is due in the

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coming two weeks. The timeline set out

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by the state government and Cradle Coast

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Authority at the moment is the end of

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June. That may be

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 a little beyond the reach, but

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they're confident they'll deliver it. Um

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my realistic view is that it will be

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definitely delivered by the end of the

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year, but holding um holding the

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timeline for the end of June in hope.

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And that that answered probably the

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first question. Did did it answer the

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second question. Councelor Keegan,

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what what do we do if it does if it

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Yeah. So

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that still remains

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we we will still do the we we can  we

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will seek an extension of the Tasmanian

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Planning Commission, but it doesn't mean

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we can't do um the review at any stage.

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So if if it looks like it's going to be

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delayed any further than that, we will

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just do the review. And and if it

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provides any comfort to councilors,

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Devonport is taking this same approach.

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I've been in close consultation with

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their strategic planner and that they're

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of the same opinion that this is such a

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fundamental document to strateg

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strategic planning in the region

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that we do need to wait for it.

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Great. Thank you so much for that. Okay.

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Any other questions or comments for this

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motion before you? I'll put the motion.

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All those in favor, please raise your

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right hand. Thank you. That is

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unanimous. We have a motion on notice

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for the city of Burnie identity on page

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26. Councelor Dorsy is moving that. Is

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there a second?

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Councelor Grave. Councelor Dorsy.

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Well, I'm actually pleased that

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councelor Grave seconded this because

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I'm stealing his idea. um

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was something that brought up at

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workshop and I thought it made a lot of

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sense and you know I come in here with

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motions on a on a semi-regular basis

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people would consider but um a lot of it

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is people give me ideas and I think

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that's not a bad idea I'll bring it to

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council and you know it gives me makes

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me research which I like actually you

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know this the city's named after um

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William Burnie who was a director in the

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VDL company based in London he's never

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set foot in Tasmania

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um which was sort of the common stuff

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James Bishoff was a chairman Helen Helen

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Henry Helier was a surveyor and archite

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architect. Stanley was named after Lord

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Stanley. Um but this is about branding.

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Who are we now? For years we've been

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flailing around looking for identity. We

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were the city of makers cuz we had the

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makers workshop but the council gave it

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away. Um

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so that's gone. The Caterpillar closed.

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The pulp closed. We're not What are we

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making that's different than any other

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any other city in the world? or are we

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making as much as any other city in the

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world? Then we said that we're the city

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by the sea. 87% of Australians and 99%

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of Tasmanians live within 50 kilometers

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of the sea. We're we're an ocean um

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oceanbound um country. Burnie is unique

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in some aspect, but it's sociology 101.

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It was the first thing I learned in

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sociology. VDL sediments arose from

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arose from river mouse, emu river, leven

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river, helia river, murzy river, and the

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cam river. Tasmania was the apple and

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then it was clean and green, but now

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we're just Tasmania. Um, at the last

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meeting, council Lynch said we had a

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style guide and and by inference advised

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we couldn't change it. What we have is

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average and can we do better? Yes, and

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really the whole point is to do better.

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Councelor Keegan suggested that the

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signage advising that we are the city

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Burnie, no one would know who to call if

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there were issues.

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I would suggest Wyard or Hobart. I don't

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really know. Um

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GM's response. If we decide to progress

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this this idea is simple. It does not

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need to get bogged down in bureaucratic

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meetings with all sorts of things. Sub

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meetings, workshops after workshops and

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semideisions. We can phase this in with

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very little difficulty across social

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media. Page name change to city of

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Burnie

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10 minutes. Web page city of Burnie at

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the top 10 minutes. signage. We're

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changing it anyway. We've all decided

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that our signage is average, but we're

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not promoting the city. We're not This

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is about pride. And and when I was

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writing this, I was thinking, we are

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Marshall, which was a

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story about a university where everyone

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was killed when the plane went down. And

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they took pride in the name of the city

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and this is the city of Burnie. And and

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really that is our moniker. That is who

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we are. And really, we should be proud

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of that. We should be promoting that at

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all times. Our signage should should

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shout city of Burnie. That's just, you

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know, or our our our signage is really

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very average and it says Burnie City

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Council. That that doesn't identify us.

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That's us. That's this building. It's

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not who owns the assets of the city, the

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people of Burnie. This is the city of

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Burnie. They own the assets, not the

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council. Um, this is about raising civic

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pride. This is about making us feel

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better about ourselves. This is about

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making Burnie our moniker. This is who

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we are. We are Burnie and let's be proud

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of it. That's it.

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Thanks, Councelor Dorsy. Councelor Grave

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in seconding.

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Yeah, thanks Councelor Dorsy. And  I

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think for everyone in the gallery and

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everyone at home, the the good ideas in

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the motion were mine and the others were

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Ken. So, , just to clear it all up,

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the um

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the motion as it reads, , am I able to

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make a slight amendment to one on number

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three if if it's all right with

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councelor Dorsy being the seconder,

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please call out what your amendment

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would be. Just at the end of three where

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it says prominent city of Burnie

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identification, I was going to add as

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signage needs replacement

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just so  any vehicle signage what's

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recently been done that we're we're not

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using rate payers money to to change new

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signage and we just update it as it

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needs to be done.

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Councelor Dorsy, you're comfortable with

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that? That's just a simple amendment.

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Yeah.

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Um, other than that, I I think it's a a

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great motion. Um,

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city of Burnie, I I think   it it

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looks a lot more it represents who we

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are. Um, obviously Lonestan City

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Council, Hobart City Council. , it it

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seems the more modern route to to not

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run Burnie City Council. And  um as

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councelor Dorsy mentioned, it's it's not

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the Burnie city council. It's it's the

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people of Burnie who own the assets

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here. So  yeah, I think it's a good

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motion and  that's all I've got to say

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on it.

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Thanks, Councelor Grave. Councelor

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Lynch.  just on page 29 where the um

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general manager has pointed out that the

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city of Burnie city council is the

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actual legal formal statutory name. So I

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just asked the general manager what what

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how could you foresee us getting around

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that  if we going to take councelor

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Dorsy's suggestion that we just rebrand

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everything with the one name

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 through mayor there's certainly ways

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and means around that um so you can have

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a I guess your legal entity name and

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operating as or be branded as um you

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know something else so that's something

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we'd need we haven't looked at

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extensively in terms of what we need to

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consider there. But there would be um

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certain situations in where yeah Burnie

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City Council would be um yeah that the

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terminology required and in other cases

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the um that the city of Burnie um would

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be able to be used. So it it would be

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situation dependent.

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Cool. Thank you very much. That, you

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know, I I understand that the motion is

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aimed at, you know, simplifying and

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streamlining and what not, but it's not

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going to until that that situation is

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sorted out. I'm guessing that's what

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you're saying to me. So, thank you,

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Councelor Simpson.

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, thank you, Mayor. , just I happy

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that the motion's been brought to

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council. So, thanks, , Councelor Dorsy

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and Councelor Graeme. Just a couple of

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concerns um for myself is just not

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knowing the cost of what's this what

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this is going to be. Um so I would

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prefer there be some investigation into

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the cost of this before we directly go

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like number two says direct officers to

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update council website. We need to have

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some type of how much is this going to

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cost rather than just going yes to

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something. I love the idea. I love the

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name. There's no issue there but we've

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got to look at costs as well. So I'd

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prefer to investigate it.

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Yeah. Thanks. Thanks, Councelor Simpson.

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Councelor, then councelor.

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Thank you, Mayor. Um,

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couple of things. It's deeper than

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deeper than what it appears on the

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surface.

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, councelor Dorsey's writing what he's

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saying about William Burnie. Never been

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to Burnie.

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, so then do we change it back to Emu

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Bay?

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Do we change it back to back to Emu Bay

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then?  as it started out, Burnie is

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the only Burnie in Australia. Well, in

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Australia there is two emu bay. So that

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does give us a niche mark. Um

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the only problem I understand what

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you're saying with it. The only problem

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with the wording of this is it says that

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 counselors are to cease the use of

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monikers in this motion.

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Um

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we Burnie's lucky I've had a quick

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Google. You can put Burnie the city by

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the sea there. It gets just as much

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prominence as Burnie the city of makers.

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So from the outside looking in, they

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both actually are very prominent on the

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internet. If you go to the Burnie City

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Council web page, it actually doesn't

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say either of those as a tagline under

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the page itself. Um I mean Burnie could

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become the city of bowls clubs. We got

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the many bowls clubs. Could become the

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city of sports grounds. I mean, we could

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become the electric city with potential

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new  electrical projects, but um

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you know, I don't think we should change

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what we're doing because I don't think

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that any of this is really relevant. The

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city is what you make it.  whether it

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says the city of makers or or the city

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by the sea. Yes, it's by the sea. Yes,

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we have makers. Um,

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a little bit of a correction when you

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said about Caterpillar going, Burnie

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still makes the world's best earth

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movers. Burnie makes the world's best

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whiskey. Burnie makes the world's best

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cheese. Burnie makes the

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one of the best roads street sweepers

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that you can buy on the market. Um,

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Burnie exports wood chips to the other

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side of the world. Burnie exports logs.

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 was coffee. We export coffee to the

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rest of the world. We've got actual

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water. We sell actual water that falls

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free from the sky and we sell that to

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the rest of the world. So when it comes

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to making things, we do make a lot of

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things. We just don't have the big dirty

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industries that we used to have. Um so

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we are still the city of makers. Um,

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unfortunately I can't support this and

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I'm only can't support this on the basis

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of the wording that councilors are not

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to use. Um, Monica's as it says because

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I would like to call the city of Burnie

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whatever I would like to call the city

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of Burnie.

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Thanks councelor Aitken. Councelor Boyd.

00:24:53.600 --> 00:24:56.216
Yes. Thank you madam mayor. I won't be

00:24:56.240 --> 00:24:59.176
supporting it. I think we had a a

00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:00.775
discussion a while back that the council

00:25:00.799 --> 00:25:02.616
workloaded under sometimes, you know,

00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:04.456
it's not that simple. It goes on and on

00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:06.056
and on for a while. We got a lot of lot

00:25:06.080 --> 00:25:08.535
in front of us. I know councelor Dorsey

00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:10.376
put a lot of work into this motion, but

00:25:10.400 --> 00:25:13.336
 I think what we got is satisfactory

00:25:13.360 --> 00:25:15.255
and yep,

00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:17.895
thanks M councelor Boyd.  councelor

00:25:17.919 --> 00:25:19.015
Keegan,

00:25:19.039 --> 00:25:22.039
thank you. Um I won't be supporting this

00:25:23.039 --> 00:25:26.039
motion for a couple of reasons. Um but

00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:29.640
primarily because of the concerns that I

00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:33.000
have with these quote unquote pesky

00:25:33.440 --> 00:25:36.440
bureaucratic processes um that councelor

00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:40.440
Dorsy mentioned

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is is that in reference to our budget

00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:47.400
processes because we would need to

00:25:47.520 --> 00:25:50.216
consider what this would cost not only

00:25:50.240 --> 00:25:52.936
in terms of actual cost but in

00:25:52.960 --> 00:25:55.960
resourcing in terms of our staffing um

00:25:56.559 --> 00:25:59.416
our community consultation processes and

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promises that we have made time and time

00:26:02.080 --> 00:26:04.856
and time and time again sitting around

00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:07.880
this table and I'm sure all of us can

00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:11.176
provide a handful of examples during

00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:14.200
this term where we have not undertAitken

00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:17.096
adequate community consultation

00:26:17.120 --> 00:26:20.120
processes and it has not gone well for

00:26:22.080 --> 00:26:23.496
council. It's not gone well for

00:26:23.520 --> 00:26:25.576
counselors and it certainly has not gone

00:26:25.600 --> 00:26:28.600
well for our community. And so I am

00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:32.279
quite perplexed as to

00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:35.720
what the urgency is I suppose around

00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:39.096
this and and why councelor Dorsy you

00:26:39.120 --> 00:26:42.120
would be so comfortable advocating for

00:26:42.320 --> 00:26:45.015
those processes which we spend a lot of

00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:47.816
time and effort putting in place so that

00:26:47.840 --> 00:26:50.840
we can adequately fund our our projects

00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:55.096
so that we can adequately consult with

00:26:55.120 --> 00:26:57.976
our community and get their views on

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what the city

00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:02.535
looks like and what it feels like and

00:27:02.559 --> 00:27:05.559
and certainly what it's known by. Um

00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:09.960
what why there would be such a haste to

00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:14.039
discard those. Um, I also, just as an

00:27:16.880 --> 00:27:19.880
aside, , point4 will never stop

00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:23.816
calling Burnie the city by the sea and

00:27:23.840 --> 00:27:26.056
singing the incredible jingle that

00:27:26.080 --> 00:27:29.080
everybody knows. Um, that my

00:27:29.120 --> 00:27:32.120
international relatives know and sing

00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:35.559
because it is absolutely catchy. Um, but

00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:41.000
I I just I I guess I'm more than

00:27:41.919 --> 00:27:44.216
anything just quite perplexed as to why

00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:47.240
we would push this through

00:27:48.080 --> 00:27:51.080
um really advocating for there being no

00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:55.480
consultation with our community and no

00:27:55.840 --> 00:27:58.535
um budget process.

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Thanks, Chancellor Keith. Chancellor

00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:01.096
Pets.

00:28:01.120 --> 00:28:02.936
Um, I very much agree with the intent of

00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:04.535
the motion, but not necessarily the

00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:06.616
methodology or the specifics that we've

00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:08.856
got here. Um, I like the idea that our

00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:10.375
community asset should have the city of

00:28:10.399 --> 00:28:12.056
Burnie Monica. I think that's better

00:28:12.080 --> 00:28:14.216
than Burnie City Council. The council is

00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:16.216
the entity managing assets on behalf of

00:28:16.240 --> 00:28:19.096
the rateayers, not the owner. So, City

00:28:19.120 --> 00:28:21.015
of Burnie is more appropriate, I feel,

00:28:21.039 --> 00:28:23.096
in terms of branding, but I think it's

00:28:23.120 --> 00:28:24.696
just a little bit simplistic to think we

00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:26.936
can just change all our marketing and

00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:29.895
the like, change our website. That's

00:28:29.919 --> 00:28:31.655
quite a significant task and there's you

00:28:31.679 --> 00:28:34.535
know we work hard to get our Burnie City

00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:36.856
Council website noticed and to be high

00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:38.456
in the rankings. I don't understand the

00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:40.296
full terms but there's people over here

00:28:40.320 --> 00:28:42.456
who do and it's engagement. Thank you.

00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:45.480
Um so just to do these changes it's not

00:28:45.840 --> 00:28:48.840
quite as simple as it sounds. Um I don't

00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:50.936
like the city makers tagline. In fact I

00:28:50.960 --> 00:28:53.015
have a I had a customer walk in the shop

00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:56.039
this week who said I'm here in the city

00:28:56.080 --> 00:28:59.080
makers. What do I go and see? And I'd

00:28:59.360 --> 00:29:00.856
say, "Oh, you can probably, you know,

00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:02.216
hit your distillery in the lake." And I

00:29:02.240 --> 00:29:04.535
said, "Oh, so what else? Where where is

00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:06.535
this? Where are these making things that

00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:08.535
I can go to and watch it happening?" So,

00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:09.655
it's actually not quite that simple

00:29:09.679 --> 00:29:11.736
anymore. And city by the sea. Yeah, it's

00:29:11.760 --> 00:29:13.496
catchy, but you know, rather than us

00:29:13.520 --> 00:29:15.416
just thinking, let's, you know, let's

00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:16.616
throw it out. We're just the city of

00:29:16.640 --> 00:29:18.936
Burnie. Let's actually think about how

00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:20.456
we want to be perceived, how we want to

00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:23.336
be. So, I think it needs a bit more

00:29:23.360 --> 00:29:25.176
depth and discussion. I know councelor

00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:26.775
Dorsy say we've got to start somewhere

00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:28.856
and yes I agree. I like the city of

00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:30.775
Burnie but I think we need to do a

00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:33.255
little bit more than just jump on this

00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:35.496
and say yep this is the way to go. Let's

00:29:35.520 --> 00:29:38.520
change everything. Um

00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:41.960
I don't like point 4 at all. I think we

00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:44.216
should be able to say what we like as

00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:46.296
council in terms of our branding. We

00:29:46.320 --> 00:29:48.375
shouldn't be told that we can't say city

00:29:48.399 --> 00:29:50.216
makers or city by the sea if we want to.

00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:52.296
And five is completely irrelevant. It

00:29:52.320 --> 00:29:54.936
doesn't it's just an ideology. It

00:29:54.960 --> 00:29:56.856
doesn't even need to be in the motion.

00:29:56.880 --> 00:29:59.655
Um so yeah like the idea I think it's

00:29:59.679 --> 00:30:01.736
you've pushing us in a good direction I

00:30:01.760 --> 00:30:03.976
believe councelor Dorsy but yeah can't

00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:06.535
support it as it is.

00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:08.775
Okay councelor Dorsy in summing.

00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:11.799
Well making notes the whole time. Um

00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:16.696
it's not about streamlining.

00:30:16.720 --> 00:30:18.375
It's not about streamlining it's about

00:30:18.399 --> 00:30:21.255
pride. Um cost. We've already decided

00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:22.775
upgrade signage and we've already

00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:24.936
decided to do this. So really there's no

00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:26.936
additional cost and we're not saying

00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:29.096
change everything tomorrow. We're just

00:30:29.120 --> 00:30:30.775
saying phase this in and that's the

00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:32.936
intent of the motion is to phase it in.

00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:34.936
Um

00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:37.960
ei been through that came up a few years

00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:41.576
ago. I said it's about civic pride. Um

00:30:41.600 --> 00:30:43.015
world's best cheese. I think you might

00:30:43.039 --> 00:30:44.135
argue with the French people that are

00:30:44.159 --> 00:30:47.159
living at my house right now. Um,

00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:51.096
councelor Boyd said it's satisfactory.

00:30:51.120 --> 00:30:53.015
That's the problem. It's satisfactory.

00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:55.816
Is it good? No, it's satisfactory. It's

00:30:55.840 --> 00:30:58.840
okay. Oh, we accept it. It's fine. Um,

00:30:59.600 --> 00:31:01.176
it has really not much to do with the

00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:02.535
budget process. It's not like we're

00:31:02.559 --> 00:31:03.736
going to go broke because we're going to

00:31:03.760 --> 00:31:05.096
change the name or we're going to phase

00:31:05.120 --> 00:31:07.096
things in over a period of time. We've

00:31:07.120 --> 00:31:09.655
already decided we're upgrading signage.

00:31:09.679 --> 00:31:12.296
That came up at the last meeting. Um,

00:31:12.320 --> 00:31:14.856
community consultation. I don't know why

00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:16.696
this is perplexing to call ourselves

00:31:16.720 --> 00:31:18.216
instead of Burnie city council, we call

00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:20.135
ourselves the city of Burnie. I don't do

00:31:20.159 --> 00:31:22.616
we go ask the community, do we want to

00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:25.640
be the city of Burnie? We already are.

00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:27.255
That's simple. I don't know how that's

00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:28.696
perplexing. I have to think about that

00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:31.336
one for a while. Um any questions? Not

00:31:31.360 --> 00:31:34.360
no I'm sorry. You've had your stall. Um

00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:35.895
when they go to look at things, they can

00:31:35.919 --> 00:31:38.919
go to pizzas and look at shoes. So what

00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:41.736
what do we make here? This is once

00:31:41.760 --> 00:31:44.056
again, this was about pride in the city

00:31:44.080 --> 00:31:45.816
and putting the city first. It's no

00:31:45.840 --> 00:31:47.416
different than the branding for

00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:49.255
Tasmania. You can look it up on the

00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:52.279
Apple still says Tasmania. Now, call

00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:54.135
yourselves whatever you want. Then

00:31:54.159 --> 00:31:55.576
you're right. You can be the electric

00:31:55.600 --> 00:31:57.416
company. You can we can be whatever. The

00:31:57.440 --> 00:31:59.816
generator of the nation. Um, Clean and

00:31:59.840 --> 00:32:02.056
Green was used by

00:32:02.080 --> 00:32:04.856
places all over the world. Um, makers

00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:06.856
actually isn't that used that often

00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:09.880
because every place makes something. Um,

00:32:10.159 --> 00:32:12.216
so I think we stick with an identity and

00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:13.655
we're proud of the city of Burnie and

00:32:13.679 --> 00:32:15.096
we're proud to call ourselves the city

00:32:15.120 --> 00:32:16.696
of Burnie. It's putting Burnie first.

00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:19.495
It's putting the people first. Um, I

00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:21.416
don't expect this to pass now, but I do

00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:24.440
think it's the opening salvo in this and

00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:26.216
it is something that we should start

00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:28.936
moving towards our identity and who we

00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:31.255
are and that we're proud of who we are.

00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:33.895
So, I'm voting for it. I think it's I

00:32:33.919 --> 00:32:36.296
think it's a necessary, you know, is is

00:32:36.320 --> 00:32:38.535
it are we going to lose sleep or is it

00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:40.535
going to

00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:41.976
I was talking to someone in Penguin the

00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:43.176
other day and they said the problem with

00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:44.936
Burnie a lot of it is people don't like

00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:46.375
it. The people that live there don't

00:32:46.399 --> 00:32:48.375
like it and I said well I don't see why

00:32:48.399 --> 00:32:49.976
not. I think it's got so many things

00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:52.056
going for it. So let's start promoting

00:32:52.080 --> 00:32:53.736
it. Let's start being proud of the city

00:32:53.760 --> 00:32:55.655
and calling it the city of Burnie.

00:32:55.679 --> 00:32:58.216
Thanks Councelor Dorsy. Okay, I'll put

00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:00.535
this motion. All those in favor please

00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:02.936
raise your right hand. Councelor Dorsy,

00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:05.336
Councelor Gray, those against, I'll call

00:33:05.360 --> 00:33:07.816
it. Councelor Peas, Councelor Keegan,

00:33:07.840 --> 00:33:09.495
Councelor Lynch, Councelor Simpson,

00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:11.655
Councelor Aitken, Councelor Boyd, and

00:33:11.679 --> 00:33:14.679
myself. That motion is lost.

00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:17.880
Now we have a motion on page 31, pigeon

00:33:18.080 --> 00:33:20.135
management, put forward by councelor

00:33:20.159 --> 00:33:21.736
Grave

00:33:21.760 --> 00:33:23.655
and seconding councelor Keegan.

00:33:23.679 --> 00:33:26.679
Councelor Grave.

00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:28.856
Yeah, I hopefully this one's not too

00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:31.880
arious on  staff, but mainly just a a

00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:34.535
motion about the pigeon so we get an

00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:36.936
update at our council meetings. I still

00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:39.495
get a lot of questions in the CBD by

00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:42.456
business owners about people who have to

00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:45.336
deal with the pigeons and the mess they

00:33:45.360 --> 00:33:48.360
leave. Um, so not a not a not a huge

00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:51.736
task, but  instead of asking a

00:33:51.760 --> 00:33:54.456
question each meeting,  I just wanted

00:33:54.480 --> 00:33:57.480
to formalize that we get a a a quick 30

00:33:57.679 --> 00:34:00.679
second one minute sort of snapshot of

00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:02.696
what new things have happened in the

00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:05.416
pigeon world and how we're going with 

00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:08.440
um sort of bringing the numbers down.

00:34:08.560 --> 00:34:10.776
Thanks councelor Grave. Councelor Keegan

00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:12.456
in seconding.

00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:14.135
Are there any other comments for this

00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:17.159
motion before you councelor Aitken?

00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:22.760
Thank you. Um

00:34:23.520 --> 00:34:26.520
I do fully agree with this this and

00:34:30.240 --> 00:34:32.776
it would be good to get updates on this

00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:35.800
because the pigeon management in Burnie

00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:37.815
appears to have been going on for a good

00:34:37.839 --> 00:34:40.135
10 years now.

00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:42.936
Um,

00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:45.960
Tazports I believe play some part in

00:34:48.720 --> 00:34:51.720
housing our local pigeons. , Tazports

00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:55.800
contributing to the

00:34:58.720 --> 00:35:01.720
what's a nice word the

00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:04.776
program.

00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:05.575
What's the word?

00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:08.599
Program.  to the control controlling

00:35:10.560 --> 00:35:13.416
of our pigeons. Are Tazport ports

00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:16.440
contributing to the cost of our pigeon

00:35:16.880 --> 00:35:19.880
control program?

00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:23.000
Yeah, I'll invite um the GM or to acting

00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:25.016
general

00:35:25.040 --> 00:35:27.016
 through you may um so we are in talks

00:35:27.040 --> 00:35:28.856
with Tazports. They do have some issues

00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:31.256
with um not only pigeons but seagulls as

00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:32.216
well. So they've got some other

00:35:32.240 --> 00:35:34.216
priorities which are are more direct for

00:35:34.240 --> 00:35:36.856
them. Um as said we are in initial

00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:39.880
discussions and there have been some um

00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:41.815
conversations around not necessarily

00:35:41.839 --> 00:35:43.896
contributing financial support to the

00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:46.376
program but if we place a feeder within

00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:48.696
that area they may be able to monitor do

00:35:48.720 --> 00:35:50.136
the recording that we're required to do

00:35:50.160 --> 00:35:51.736
and also top up the feeder. So there may

00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:53.496
be some operational costs in kind

00:35:53.520 --> 00:35:56.520
support from them towards the program.

00:35:57.200 --> 00:36:00.200
 perfect. Thank you. Um look I'll I'll

00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:03.815
put it quite bluntly. Um, I'd like to

00:36:03.839 --> 00:36:05.656
see the pigeons completely and nutly

00:36:05.680 --> 00:36:08.616
eradicated from the city of Burnie. Um,

00:36:08.640 --> 00:36:10.536
I've got nothing nice to say about the

00:36:10.560 --> 00:36:12.055
pigeons.

00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:14.536
I think I won't name shops. There is

00:36:14.560 --> 00:36:17.560
literally poo dripping from shops

00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:20.616
walking down the streets in Burnie.

00:36:20.640 --> 00:36:23.640
And shop owners themselves are spending

00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:25.896
a lot of money on pigeon control that

00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:28.920
just is not working. , great pers have

00:36:29.200 --> 00:36:31.016
spent a lot of money on pigeon control

00:36:31.040 --> 00:36:34.040
that just is not working. Um,

00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:37.800
I would I really I I am fed up of

00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:40.616
pigeons. I'm sick to death of looking at

00:36:40.640 --> 00:36:43.640
pigeon poo everywhere. It cost the rate

00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:45.976
of Burnie an absolute stack of money to

00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:48.136
go and have it cleaned. It cost shop

00:36:48.160 --> 00:36:49.896
owners an absolute stack of money to

00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:52.920
have it cleaned. And um yeah, I I' I'd

00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:56.696
love to have one day where there's just

00:36:56.720 --> 00:36:59.496
not a single pigeon walk down the street

00:36:59.520 --> 00:37:01.335
of Burnie.

00:37:01.359 --> 00:37:03.176
I'm sorry if that offends anyone, but I

00:37:03.200 --> 00:37:04.856
am so over it.

00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:07.880
Thanks, Cancer Aitken. I might  make a

00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:10.920
comment. I'll just note the  comments

00:37:11.200 --> 00:37:13.256
from the general manager on this

00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:15.815
particular motion. In relation to

00:37:15.839 --> 00:37:18.055
reporting, it is not council's standard

00:37:18.079 --> 00:37:19.976
practice to provide individual reports

00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:22.456
on specific operational activities at

00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:24.216
each council meeting as this would

00:37:24.240 --> 00:37:26.936
create significant administrative burden

00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:29.960
on staff. I guess with that in mind, um

00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:33.016
I won't be move proposing this slight

00:37:33.040 --> 00:37:35.496
amendment would but would encourage any

00:37:35.520 --> 00:37:37.256
remaining councilors who may wish to

00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:39.736
speak on this.  perhaps an amendment

00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:42.456
along the lines of providing progress

00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:45.256
update to councilors at each um for the

00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:47.095
next four quarters regarding the

00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:50.119
implementation might be a more balanced

00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:53.176
administrative inclusion. But I make

00:37:53.200 --> 00:37:55.976
that comment for any councilors mindful

00:37:56.000 --> 00:37:58.055
of making a slight alteration there so

00:37:58.079 --> 00:37:59.815
that we reduce the administrative

00:37:59.839 --> 00:38:01.256
burden.

00:38:01.280 --> 00:38:02.776
Councelor Peas,

00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:04.376
I was going to actually make that

00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:07.335
suggestion to amend the motion. if there

00:38:07.359 --> 00:38:09.896
were others willing to support.

00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:11.416
Yes.

00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:13.656
Thank you, Councelor P. So, at each

00:38:13.680 --> 00:38:15.896
council meeting, , sorry, perhaps

00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:18.696
provide a progress update to councilors

00:38:18.720 --> 00:38:21.496
at the four quarterly,

00:38:21.520 --> 00:38:23.416
you could just say

00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:25.976
four quarterly. Yeah, let's just amend

00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:28.856
that above. Um, councelor Grave, would

00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:31.736
you be of mind to accept that proposed

00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:32.936
amendment within

00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:34.136
Yeah, I think we're we're probably

00:38:34.160 --> 00:38:36.296
overlooking it here. like it's a 30-se

00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:39.176
secondond report. I'll ask in the public

00:38:39.200 --> 00:38:40.936
question time in the meetings what

00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:42.936
aren't covered anyway for the people of

00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:45.335
Burnie. It's a short how are we going

00:38:45.359 --> 00:38:48.359
with the pigeons and then the GM can get

00:38:48.640 --> 00:38:50.696
back and say we've got three feeders

00:38:50.720 --> 00:38:52.536
out. I don't want to report. We don't

00:38:52.560 --> 00:38:54.136
need to write a book on pigeons. We know

00:38:54.160 --> 00:38:56.216
there's a lot of pigeons. It's

00:38:56.240 --> 00:38:58.055
unnecessary the amendment, but if you

00:38:58.079 --> 00:38:59.815
want to do it, do it. And I'll just ask

00:38:59.839 --> 00:39:02.839
in the  in the question time each

00:39:03.040 --> 00:39:05.496
meeting. I'll invite our GM to respond.

00:39:05.520 --> 00:39:08.456
 yeah, just to clarify, um so

00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:09.976
councelor Grave, the intent of your

00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:11.976
motion, would you be comfortable if the

00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:14.216
update was included within an existing

00:39:14.240 --> 00:39:16.536
report um that is contained within the

00:39:16.560 --> 00:39:18.616
agenda as opposed to a standalone

00:39:18.640 --> 00:39:19.176
report?

00:39:19.200 --> 00:39:20.616
No special report needed for the

00:39:20.640 --> 00:39:22.936
pigeons. Just a a quick verbal update at

00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:24.776
the  meeting

00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:26.936
within a report. Councelor Graves.

00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:27.176
Yes,

00:39:27.200 --> 00:39:28.616
within a report. Yeah,

00:39:28.640 --> 00:39:30.696
thank you. That that is quite clear.

00:39:30.720 --> 00:39:32.856
Comfortable with that. Councelor Peas,

00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:33.815
did you have any 

00:39:33.839 --> 00:39:35.335
Well, I was just going to say I I find

00:39:35.359 --> 00:39:37.095
it a bit odd that we'd be reporting

00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:39.575
monthly on pigeons, yet we report

00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:41.815
quarterly on our financials. It just

00:39:41.839 --> 00:39:43.016
seems to me that we're putting the

00:39:43.040 --> 00:39:44.936
emphasis a little bit the wrong way

00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:47.176
around. So, hence why I thought

00:39:47.200 --> 00:39:48.536
quarterly would be better. But there's

00:39:48.560 --> 00:39:49.976
absolutely no reason why at every

00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:52.136
workshop there can't be 30 seconds on as

00:39:52.160 --> 00:39:54.536
well, cuz it it is. I completely agree,

00:39:54.560 --> 00:39:57.560
you know, with with both councelor Gray

00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:00.936
 that, you know, it's a major issue in

00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:02.776
the CBD at the moment. So, you know,

00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:05.335
action is needed. So, fully endorse the

00:40:05.359 --> 00:40:07.815
intent of the motion. Um, but I just

00:40:07.839 --> 00:40:08.776
think, yeah, we need to get our

00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:10.136
priorities around the right way. And I

00:40:10.160 --> 00:40:12.616
think as long as we can have updates.

00:40:12.640 --> 00:40:14.055
The other thing I was thinking, I'm not

00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:16.055
sure how quickly we'll actually see any

00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:17.896
action once we start the eradication

00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:19.736
program because I don't think anything's

00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:21.896
going to happen necessarily. we'll see a

00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:23.256
change every month. We, you know, we're

00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:24.536
going to go, hey, we've made some

00:40:24.560 --> 00:40:26.376
progress. So, that was sort of my theory

00:40:26.400 --> 00:40:26.936
behind it.

00:40:26.960 --> 00:40:27.256
Sure.

00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:28.696
Thanks, councelor. Please counselor

00:40:28.720 --> 00:40:29.335
Dorsy.

00:40:29.359 --> 00:40:31.575
Um, first couple things. What does it

00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:34.599
cost to to seed the area for

00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:38.920
to help stop pigeon births?

00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:45.896
We might need to take that question on

00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:46.296
notice.

00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:47.656
Yeah, you may want to take that.

00:40:47.680 --> 00:40:49.016
Would it cost more than changing our

00:40:49.040 --> 00:40:51.496
name to City of Burnie?

00:40:51.520 --> 00:40:53.656
Okay, that was just a dumb question. But

00:40:53.680 --> 00:40:56.680
second, um, what's our ultimate goal? I

00:40:57.200 --> 00:40:59.416
mean, councelor Aitken City wants to

00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:01.896
eradicate them. Now, pigeons are on

00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:03.656
every continent in thousands of cities

00:41:03.680 --> 00:41:05.176
around the world. They're a problem

00:41:05.200 --> 00:41:07.335
everywhere. And I looked at the

00:41:07.359 --> 00:41:08.776
solutions that they're using, and one of

00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:10.856
them is what we're doing now, seeding

00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:13.575
them to reduce population. Um, another

00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:15.575
one is what they do is they set up bird

00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:18.136
nest for them, and they swap their eggs.

00:41:18.160 --> 00:41:19.896
So they put fake eggs in so they sit on

00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:21.335
those eggs for a longer period of time

00:41:21.359 --> 00:41:24.359
which reduces breeding. Um bird spikes

00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:26.216
would they see bird spikes everywhere.

00:41:26.240 --> 00:41:28.456
Netting which is something you know I

00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:30.856
walk through the Jones Street mess

00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:32.616
almost every day. Netting would stop

00:41:32.640 --> 00:41:35.640
that. But if you stop the birds there

00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:37.976
they'd move into town which would make

00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:41.000
it worse in town. Um wire systems taught

00:41:41.200 --> 00:41:42.776
wires strung along ledges to make it

00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:44.776
hard for them to balance. um

00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:46.536
architectural modifications, which I

00:41:46.560 --> 00:41:48.216
don't think anyone's going to do, but

00:41:48.240 --> 00:41:49.815
there are buildings in town where if

00:41:49.839 --> 00:41:51.256
they just put a slope instead of a

00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:54.055
ledge, you could fix that. The poo would

00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:55.575
just slide off and you'd get it all day

00:41:55.599 --> 00:41:57.416
long instead of just when it rains and

00:41:57.440 --> 00:41:59.416
there's tons of it. But the bottom line

00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:02.440
is we're never going to eradicate them.

00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:06.760
And the and what I did read was the

00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:08.776
attempts to eradicate them in places and

00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:10.376
get rid of them actually created more

00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:12.856
pigeons because they bred faster to

00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:15.496
replace their numbers, which is, you

00:42:15.520 --> 00:42:17.176
know, it's that's a n that's a natural

00:42:17.200 --> 00:42:19.815
thing to do. So, I'm in favor of this

00:42:19.839 --> 00:42:21.496
motion. I like getting the idea that we

00:42:21.520 --> 00:42:22.936
get reports. It's been talked about

00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:24.616
since since I've been here. So, 12

00:42:24.640 --> 00:42:26.216
years, would we have less pigeons? I

00:42:26.240 --> 00:42:28.776
think we have more. And we've tried the

00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:30.616
we've tried the seating before and I

00:42:30.640 --> 00:42:32.295
think it was about 20,000. It's not

00:42:32.319 --> 00:42:34.295
cheap.

00:42:34.319 --> 00:42:36.295
So that's why I was curious what the

00:42:36.319 --> 00:42:38.136
price is.

00:42:38.160 --> 00:42:38.936
Thank you.

00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:41.095
Thanks, Councelor Dorsy. Are there any

00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:43.016
councelor Aitken, do you have a follow-up

00:42:43.040 --> 00:42:43.496
question?

00:42:43.520 --> 00:42:46.376
Yeah, just a follow-up question.

00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:49.256
If a pigeon lives for 3 to 5 years in

00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:51.575
the wild

00:42:51.599 --> 00:42:53.976
and the program that we're using doesn't

00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:57.000
actually eliminate the pigeon,

00:42:57.680 --> 00:42:59.016
wouldn't that mean we wouldn't actually

00:42:59.040 --> 00:43:01.976
get a result until 3 to 5 years time

00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:04.295
when there's not another new generation

00:43:04.319 --> 00:43:07.319
of pigeon come through?

00:43:07.520 --> 00:43:10.520
So through you may so on the um product

00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:12.696
that we're using which is a

00:43:12.720 --> 00:43:15.496
sterilization product. So to only cease

00:43:15.520 --> 00:43:18.520
um cease them from reproducing

00:43:19.200 --> 00:43:22.200
the expected rate of decline is about

00:43:22.560 --> 00:43:25.560
50% over 3 years in the initial first 3

00:43:26.160 --> 00:43:27.976
years. So you the intention is you would

00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:29.815
see a reduction of about 50% over the

00:43:29.839 --> 00:43:32.295
next 3 years and again 50% of that so

00:43:32.319 --> 00:43:34.295
25% in the in the six years.

00:43:34.319 --> 00:43:35.736
So we're talking six years.

00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:37.416
So there's there's not a for

00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:39.815
sterilization humanely. There's not a

00:43:39.839 --> 00:43:41.656
quick fix.

00:43:41.680 --> 00:43:43.656
Thank you. you don't have a followup to

00:43:43.680 --> 00:43:46.216
that. Is that giving them the

00:43:46.240 --> 00:43:49.240
sterilization pills constantly for that

00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:51.095
period of time? Because you can't do it

00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:54.055
once and expect results in 3 years. I

00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:56.136
mean, that'll stop those. But if you

00:43:56.160 --> 00:43:57.815
don't do it consistently over that

00:43:57.839 --> 00:43:59.095
period of time and you're spending

00:43:59.119 --> 00:44:01.176
20,000 a year over the next x amount of

00:44:01.200 --> 00:44:02.616
years, it's not going to work.

00:44:02.640 --> 00:44:05.256
So through to um that those figures will

00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:06.616
be based on supplying the recommended

00:44:06.640 --> 00:44:09.640
dose. So this program will run for 3

00:44:09.680 --> 00:44:11.896
years throughout that time with with I

00:44:11.920 --> 00:44:13.416
don't have the dosing frequencies off

00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:14.776
the top of my head but we have spreaders

00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:16.376
which automatically displace at the

00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:18.856
recommended amount. So yep that will be

00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:20.376
automated. So it will be a constant.

00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:21.416
Yep.

00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:24.216
Okay. I might put this motion

00:44:24.240 --> 00:44:26.936
for those in favor.

00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:28.456
Sorry. Oh councelor Grave I haven't

00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:29.976
given the opportunity. Did you wish to

00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:31.656
close? I thought we talked enough about

00:44:31.680 --> 00:44:32.376
pigeons.

00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:34.216
Yes. Um, just quickly I was just going

00:44:34.240 --> 00:44:35.976
to mention that  the verbal report

00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:39.000
from the GM  I would imagine that the

00:44:39.200 --> 00:44:42.200
10 reports the GM will give will be much

00:44:42.720 --> 00:44:44.216
quicker than the discussion we just had

00:44:44.240 --> 00:44:45.335
about pigeon. So

00:44:45.359 --> 00:44:45.815
wonderful.

00:44:45.839 --> 00:44:47.016
It will be very quick.

00:44:47.040 --> 00:44:48.456
That will be wonderful. Let's put the

00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:50.936
motion. All those in favor please raise

00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:52.456
your right hand.

00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:55.480
Thank you. That's unanimous.

00:44:56.079 --> 00:44:58.136
Do we have any question  councelor

00:44:58.160 --> 00:45:00.055
questions without notice? Councelor

00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:03.016
Lynch.

00:45:03.040 --> 00:45:04.696
I'll go. Right. So, just a question. I

00:45:04.720 --> 00:45:07.720
noticed um Roma Park lost a large tree

00:45:08.800 --> 00:45:11.575
yesterday and kudos to the parks team.

00:45:11.599 --> 00:45:14.055
It was gone today and that's a fantastic

00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:16.216
effort. Please thank them. Follows from

00:45:16.240 --> 00:45:17.976
earlier  in the year when we lost the

00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:20.376
same tree in view road reserve across a

00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:22.456
path and it was gone the next day.

00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:25.335
That's exceptionally quick. Um, I guess

00:45:25.359 --> 00:45:27.176
the question that raised in me though,

00:45:27.200 --> 00:45:30.200
if we're losing major trees across

00:45:30.240 --> 00:45:32.936
walkways like that, do we have any plans

00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:35.960
for um some sort of audit around the

00:45:36.240 --> 00:45:38.456
trees or is it something that we just

00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:40.616
going to live with that risk? It just

00:45:40.640 --> 00:45:42.856
seems to be an interesting situation

00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:43.815
that we're in.

00:45:43.839 --> 00:45:46.456
I'll invite um our director of works and

00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:48.696
services to please respond

00:45:48.720 --> 00:45:51.720
through you, mayor. Um we've just um

00:45:52.560 --> 00:45:55.256
we're partway through a review of our

00:45:55.280 --> 00:45:57.575
service level document for parks and

00:45:57.599 --> 00:46:00.376
transport and others as well. Um and in

00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:03.335
that process we look at the um at the

00:46:03.359 --> 00:46:05.815
inspection regimes we have all the

00:46:05.839 --> 00:46:07.416
various responsibilities we have and

00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:10.376
trees were certainly one of those. Um we

00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:13.400
discussed the practicalities of um of

00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:15.256
conducting

00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:18.280
um audits of you know of trees. There

00:46:18.480 --> 00:46:20.295
was a suggestion some years ago from our

00:46:20.319 --> 00:46:22.136
risk insurers that we have a an

00:46:22.160 --> 00:46:23.896
inventory of all the trees that we have

00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:25.335
which just wouldn't be quite

00:46:25.359 --> 00:46:28.359
impractical. Um but you know when it

00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:31.016
comes to u a pathway so where we're

00:46:31.040 --> 00:46:33.016
inviting people to walk so pathways

00:46:33.040 --> 00:46:35.095
through parks and things like that those

00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:37.335
are areas that we that we can inspect in

00:46:37.359 --> 00:46:38.856
terms of of the look to see whether

00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:41.256
there's anything hanging out of trees or

00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:42.776
anything untoward. There'll always be

00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:44.696
the odd tree that comes down in a in a

00:46:44.720 --> 00:46:46.856
storm that we're not going to be able to

00:46:46.880 --> 00:46:49.880
um to preempt.  but yes, there is a an

00:46:50.240 --> 00:46:52.295
inspection program

00:46:52.319 --> 00:46:55.319
 in our operating budget to be to

00:46:55.760 --> 00:46:58.536
endeavor to be as proactive as we can

00:46:58.560 --> 00:47:01.176
with respect to trees. Where we see and

00:47:01.200 --> 00:47:03.575
have concerns about the the health of

00:47:03.599 --> 00:47:05.736
the tree, we'd get we either do our own

00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:07.656
inspection report on that and if it's a

00:47:07.680 --> 00:47:10.295
particularly sensitive tree, we get an

00:47:10.319 --> 00:47:13.319
ar report.  prior to any um action to

00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:17.095
remove but yes there is a program.

00:47:17.119 --> 00:47:19.176
Thank you. And just to wrap up again,

00:47:19.200 --> 00:47:22.200
congratulations to your team um the the

00:47:22.319 --> 00:47:24.136
how timely that is. That's two massive

00:47:24.160 --> 00:47:26.936
trees gone within a day. Um so that's

00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:28.696
really terrific and I do acknowledge

00:47:28.720 --> 00:47:31.720
it's almost an impossible task.  but

00:47:32.160 --> 00:47:33.815
it's comforting to hear that we take it

00:47:33.839 --> 00:47:35.176
seriously and that we're looking at

00:47:35.200 --> 00:47:37.575
public safety as a the number one thing.

00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:38.536
So

00:47:38.560 --> 00:47:40.616
thanks Councelor Le. Any other

00:47:40.640 --> 00:47:42.456
questions? Councelor Josie.

00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:45.095
Um, last month there was a large

00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:46.936
discussion about trees on Mount Street.

00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:48.936
Did we trim any trees on Mound Street

00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:51.736
during the month?

00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:54.760
Through you, mayor. Um, I am not sure

00:47:55.280 --> 00:47:57.016
whether we did. , instructions

00:47:57.040 --> 00:47:59.016
certainly gone out to review those and

00:47:59.040 --> 00:48:01.016
do any trimming that we need to do. That

00:48:01.040 --> 00:48:04.040
is that is our responsibility. So, if

00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:07.079
not done yet, won't be far away.

00:48:07.520 --> 00:48:09.016
To me, it appeared like it'd been done.

00:48:09.040 --> 00:48:11.016
I was just wondering what what actions

00:48:11.040 --> 00:48:11.736
you tAitken.

00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:14.536
Okay. Um, next one. Can the GM advise as

00:48:14.560 --> 00:48:16.856
to the status of the power boxes on the

00:48:16.880 --> 00:48:19.656
footpath with wrapping or painting at

00:48:19.680 --> 00:48:22.680
this point in time?

00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:26.216
, through your mayor. Yes. So we have

00:48:26.240 --> 00:48:29.240
had a recent re meeting recently with um

00:48:29.520 --> 00:48:31.575
a representative from TAZ networks to go

00:48:31.599 --> 00:48:34.295
through and identify which um assets

00:48:34.319 --> 00:48:36.936
belong to TAZ networks for via third

00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:39.016
parties or any cancel own boxes. So

00:48:39.040 --> 00:48:40.616
we've been through that process. Part of

00:48:40.640 --> 00:48:43.496
that is identifying some of the boxes

00:48:43.520 --> 00:48:46.295
which are suitable for wrapping. Um the

00:48:46.319 --> 00:48:47.656
issue being some of the ones

00:48:47.680 --> 00:48:50.616
particularly in the CBD are older um

00:48:50.640 --> 00:48:52.856
which um Taz networks can't support the

00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:54.616
wrapping of due to the electrical safety

00:48:54.640 --> 00:48:57.335
of of the components inside. Um there

00:48:57.359 --> 00:48:59.976
are alternative options though um in

00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:01.656
regards to painting those assets as

00:49:01.680 --> 00:49:04.055
well. So at the moment we've received an

00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:05.416
initial list and we're just going

00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:06.696
through that to determine which ones are

00:49:06.720 --> 00:49:08.376
suitable for wrapping versus painting

00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:10.216
and um we'll be having a further

00:49:10.240 --> 00:49:11.736
discussion around identifying some that

00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:14.760
to networks will provide some art for.

00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:16.456
Yeah, that was my second question

00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:19.095
actually. Is there a chance for artists

00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:21.896
local artists to paint them?  again

00:49:21.920 --> 00:49:24.055
through you mayor. Yes. So in the

00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:25.976
initial discussion, Taz Networks was

00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:28.535
happy to support  the painting of them

00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:31.559
but the preference was that potentially

00:49:31.760 --> 00:49:34.760
council may run that process um so we

00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:35.896
can ensure that's covered by the

00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:37.016
committee as well. So we haven't

00:49:37.040 --> 00:49:38.376
finalized anything there but those

00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:40.616
discussions are certainly taking place.

00:49:40.640 --> 00:49:43.016
Is there any sort of timeline?

00:49:43.040 --> 00:49:45.256
 again through you mayor I am hopeful

00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:47.095
to have a solution wrapped up before the

00:49:47.119 --> 00:49:48.616
end of this financial year with a plan

00:49:48.640 --> 00:49:50.456
to go forward with ones identified in a

00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:53.176
program

00:49:53.200 --> 00:49:56.200
wrap or paint up

00:49:56.240 --> 00:49:59.240
just yeah you finished up counc

00:50:01.040 --> 00:50:03.736
yeah thank you um

00:50:03.760 --> 00:50:06.535
back on the tree

00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:09.559
was the tree removed completely

00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:12.920
at the park at Ray Dond

00:50:13.040 --> 00:50:15.095
might invite the director of um works

00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:17.736
and services to respond.

00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:19.095
Aen

00:50:19.119 --> 00:50:20.456
 through you mayor. I'd have to take

00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:23.480
that on notice.

00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:27.480
Okay. Um so my suggestion then if I can

00:50:29.200 --> 00:50:31.095
make a suggestion is I looked at that

00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:32.696
tree and I thought we should have cut a

00:50:32.720 --> 00:50:35.416
gap in the middle of it where the path

00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:38.216
goes and leave the tree on the ground

00:50:38.240 --> 00:50:40.456
and let nature

00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:43.256
do its thing. Um, it's a big tree that

00:50:43.280 --> 00:50:46.216
fell over and literally it's down. Let

00:50:46.240 --> 00:50:48.136
nature do its thing. I have noticed

00:50:48.160 --> 00:50:50.456
there at the back of the Roma duck pond.

00:50:50.480 --> 00:50:52.376
, in the past we've had big trees

00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:55.095
that's fell down and they have literally

00:50:55.119 --> 00:50:57.896
chopped here and chopped there and those

00:50:57.920 --> 00:50:59.496
trees have ended up back on the ground

00:50:59.520 --> 00:51:01.176
and the man ferns have grown around

00:51:01.200 --> 00:51:03.256
them, things like that. So, I'd be

00:51:03.280 --> 00:51:05.335
interesting to know whether it was

00:51:05.359 --> 00:51:08.359
actually removed or just gapped.

00:51:09.680 --> 00:51:11.896
um

00:51:11.920 --> 00:51:14.920
forestry rates and farm rates. Do

00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:19.400
do forestry pay the same rates as

00:51:19.520 --> 00:51:22.520
farmers would say at up in the tone

00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:28.456
as a general rate.

00:51:28.480 --> 00:51:31.480
 through Mayor um in our rating

00:51:33.200 --> 00:51:35.176
structure we have a a category called

00:51:35.200 --> 00:51:38.200
primary production and my understanding

00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:41.480
is that um farming, forestry,

00:51:41.920 --> 00:51:44.920
agriculture etc. um are all included

00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:48.055
within that category. So farming and

00:51:48.079 --> 00:51:50.295
forestry do pay the same cent in the

00:51:50.319 --> 00:51:51.896
dollar.

00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:53.736
Thank you.

00:51:53.760 --> 00:51:56.696


00:51:56.720 --> 00:51:59.720
and the last one is housing choices. Um

00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:04.599
I'm not happy with housing choices. 

00:52:05.200 --> 00:52:07.335
do housing commission, if you want to

00:52:07.359 --> 00:52:09.016
call it housing commission, do they pay

00:52:09.040 --> 00:52:11.335
the same rates on properties as everyone

00:52:11.359 --> 00:52:13.575
else

00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:16.599
 per property value?

00:52:17.280 --> 00:52:18.856
Yes.

00:52:18.880 --> 00:52:21.880
Fantastic. And um yeah, back to what I

00:52:22.319 --> 00:52:25.319
was saying, some of the housing

00:52:26.319 --> 00:52:29.319
choices, properties. Um the neighbors

00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:31.896
are quite upset with the condition on

00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:34.136
how they are and vehicles on the streets

00:52:34.160 --> 00:52:37.160
and and absolute messes. I'm not saying

00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:40.376
I live in a palace. I'm just saying that

00:52:40.400 --> 00:52:43.176
there are people that have been

00:52:43.200 --> 00:52:45.416
complaining for quite some time trying

00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:47.656
to get Housing Choices properties

00:52:47.680 --> 00:52:50.680
cleaned up. Um the council have the

00:52:51.359 --> 00:52:53.335
possibility of calling housing choices

00:52:53.359 --> 00:52:56.359
in to give us an explanation on why why

00:52:56.960 --> 00:52:59.960
they allow properties to have 10 car

00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:02.696
bodies out the front and four car bodies

00:53:02.720 --> 00:53:05.720
down the street and things like that

00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:10.456
may it certainly um that's not a

00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:12.535
discussion we've had in recent times um

00:53:12.559 --> 00:53:15.176
we we wouldn't have I'm not aware of any

00:53:15.200 --> 00:53:18.136
officer having a discussion um around

00:53:18.160 --> 00:53:20.136
yeah the state of some of the the public

00:53:20.160 --> 00:53:22.696
housing um and the condition of as

00:53:22.720 --> 00:53:24.696
you've outlined there um council rAitken

00:53:24.720 --> 00:53:27.256
but that is a a discussion we could 

00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:28.295
explore

00:53:28.319 --> 00:53:30.535
so council hasn't received complaints

00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:32.055
about properties

00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:34.216
I personally haven't I I can't without

00:53:34.240 --> 00:53:35.976
looking I wouldn't know whether or not

00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:38.295
um you know more broadly we've received

00:53:38.319 --> 00:53:41.256
some in um but it's not anything that um

00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:44.136
doesn't come top significant top of mind

00:53:44.160 --> 00:53:45.656
um for any of us

00:53:45.680 --> 00:53:47.736
thank you perfect excellent thank you

00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:49.976
thanks councelor Simpson.

00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:51.976
Thank you, M. Mine's a very quick one, I

00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:54.456
promise. Um, firstly, not really a

00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:55.736
question, but I just want to thank the

00:53:55.760 --> 00:53:57.575
events team for the incredible job they

00:53:57.599 --> 00:54:00.599
did at Harmony Day, Harmony event on

00:54:01.680 --> 00:54:03.496
Friday night. It was sensational,

00:54:03.520 --> 00:54:05.575
something we've never seen before, um,

00:54:05.599 --> 00:54:07.335
you know, multiculturally, I guess, in

00:54:07.359 --> 00:54:08.696
Burnie, and it was really wonderful to

00:54:08.720 --> 00:54:10.535
see. And I've been getting questions

00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:12.616
already. Is it going to happen again

00:54:12.640 --> 00:54:15.095
next year?

00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:17.496
Ask the general manager to respond.

00:54:17.520 --> 00:54:18.136
Thanks.

00:54:18.160 --> 00:54:21.160
 yes, I think is is a simple um we'd

00:54:22.240 --> 00:54:25.240
like to um use the um that particular

00:54:25.760 --> 00:54:27.896
event as as the basis for something even

00:54:27.920 --> 00:54:29.335
um bigger and better for next year. So

00:54:29.359 --> 00:54:31.575
we're already exploring options around

00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:32.856
you further funding and further

00:54:32.880 --> 00:54:34.295
opportunities. So I think it's the start

00:54:34.319 --> 00:54:35.176
of good things to come.

00:54:35.200 --> 00:54:36.856
That'll make some dancers. Very happy to

00:54:36.880 --> 00:54:39.880
hear that. Thank you gentlemen. Thank

00:54:40.240 --> 00:54:42.696
Okay, thank you. We might move on to our

00:54:42.720 --> 00:54:45.656
public land disposal Brickport Road on

00:54:45.680 --> 00:54:48.680
page 34.

00:54:48.880 --> 00:54:51.416
Councelor Grave.

00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:54.440
Yeah, I'd like to move  an amendment.

00:54:55.920 --> 00:54:56.216
Right.

00:54:56.240 --> 00:54:59.240
Oh, apologies. Councelor Boyd.

00:55:01.599 --> 00:55:03.815
Conflict of interest.

00:55:03.839 --> 00:55:06.055
Sorry. Please continue. Councelor Grave.

00:55:06.079 --> 00:55:07.656
, Madame Mayor, I was just wondering

00:55:07.680 --> 00:55:09.575
if I could move that we go to the

00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:12.599
alternate motion with one slight change.

00:55:13.839 --> 00:55:15.496
Yep. Can you just call out that slight

00:55:15.520 --> 00:55:16.216
change?

00:55:16.240 --> 00:55:18.136
, the slight change being that funds

00:55:18.160 --> 00:55:21.160
received for the land sale are used by

00:55:21.359 --> 00:55:24.359
parks and reserve

00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:26.456
or for the benefit of parks and

00:55:26.480 --> 00:55:29.480
reserves.

00:55:45.680 --> 00:55:47.256
So it'll be a point 4.

00:55:47.280 --> 00:55:50.280
You're suggesting there councelor Grave

00:55:50.319 --> 00:55:53.016
funds for land sales are used for the

00:55:53.040 --> 00:55:55.976
benefit of parks and reserves. Correct.

00:55:56.000 --> 00:55:59.000
Correct.

00:56:10.880 --> 00:56:13.880
Yeah, happy to go. Um, funds received.

00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:16.920
Yeah. Fund funds received allocated to

00:56:18.240 --> 00:56:21.240
parks and reserves.

00:56:23.119 --> 00:56:26.119
funds received allocated to

00:56:27.520 --> 00:56:30.376
parks and reserves.

00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:31.335
Comfortable with that?

00:56:31.359 --> 00:56:31.575
Yeah.

00:56:31.599 --> 00:56:34.055
Okay. So, that's your what you're moving

00:56:34.079 --> 00:56:36.295
seconded. Councelor Dorsy, councelor

00:56:36.319 --> 00:56:38.775
Gray.

00:56:38.799 --> 00:56:41.256
Yeah. Look, it's it's always interesting

00:56:41.280 --> 00:56:43.736
public land. And  I've just made a few

00:56:43.760 --> 00:56:46.696
notes to to go

00:56:46.720 --> 00:56:48.856
through this. When when a subdivision is

00:56:48.880 --> 00:56:51.656
undertAitken in Tasmania  including

00:56:51.680 --> 00:56:53.896
within Burnie, the developer is required

00:56:53.920 --> 00:56:55.815
under the Land Use Planning and

00:56:55.839 --> 00:56:58.456
Approvals Act 1993

00:56:58.480 --> 00:57:01.095
 section 117 to provide a contribution

00:57:01.119 --> 00:57:04.119
of up to 5% of unimproved land value.

00:57:05.119 --> 00:57:07.256
This contribution can be made as either

00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:10.280
a monetary payment or as land. So you a

00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:13.880
developer has the option to pay 5% or 5%

00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:17.176
of the the area of the land if it comes

00:57:17.200 --> 00:57:20.200
to 5% of the um unimproved land sale. So

00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:23.575
a lot of submissions said that the

00:57:23.599 --> 00:57:25.575
developer had gifted the land. A lot of

00:57:25.599 --> 00:57:28.295
people say that  you know it was

00:57:28.319 --> 00:57:30.775
gifted to the council as land um you

00:57:30.799 --> 00:57:33.575
know as a park can't be sold. It is a

00:57:33.599 --> 00:57:36.295
payment to the council  to do the

00:57:36.319 --> 00:57:38.696
subdivision.  it would have been great

00:57:38.720 --> 00:57:41.720
back when Brickport Road was done that

00:57:42.240 --> 00:57:44.055
the council had tAitken the money but it

00:57:44.079 --> 00:57:47.079
was a different era. Um and certainly 

00:57:47.680 --> 00:57:50.295
those blocks along Britport Road were

00:57:50.319 --> 00:57:51.896
hard to sell when they would first come

00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:54.920
on the market. So the developer  gave

00:57:56.000 --> 00:57:58.136
those blocks to the council as payment

00:57:58.160 --> 00:58:00.535
for that subdivision. So that's that's

00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:03.559
one note.  importantly why we act

00:58:03.839 --> 00:58:06.055
specifies that this contribution is for

00:58:06.079 --> 00:58:09.079
public open space or public purpose. It

00:58:09.200 --> 00:58:11.976
does not require that land is that is

00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:14.775
accepted in lie of cash must retained as

00:58:14.799 --> 00:58:17.799
public land or that it is developed as a

00:58:18.480 --> 00:58:21.095
park or that the council permanently

00:58:21.119 --> 00:58:24.119
holds onto this land. Um as stated in

00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:27.575
section 117, it allows for contributions

00:58:27.599 --> 00:58:30.216
towards public open space, but it does

00:58:30.240 --> 00:58:32.535
not require that land accepted in lie of

00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:35.559
cash automatically function as usable

00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:38.055
open space or remain in public ownership

00:58:38.079 --> 00:58:39.815
indefinitely.

00:58:39.839 --> 00:58:41.656
In practice, many of these land

00:58:41.680 --> 00:58:43.815
contributions have resulted in small

00:58:43.839 --> 00:58:46.839
frag fragmented pocket parks that were

00:58:47.040 --> 00:58:49.176
never strategically planned. These

00:58:49.200 --> 00:58:51.896
parcels are often underutilized and

00:58:51.920 --> 00:58:53.976
create an ongoing maintenance burden for

00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:57.000
the rate payers. Um many sub

00:58:57.359 --> 00:58:59.656
subdivisions the the developer tries to

00:58:59.680 --> 00:59:02.136
get rid of the worst parts of the land,

00:59:02.160 --> 00:59:04.055
the steep parts of land, the gullies,

00:59:04.079 --> 00:59:06.775
the drainage easements. Um and similar

00:59:06.799 --> 00:59:09.095
to this one, it's it's got an electrical

00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:12.119
um box on it. Um the subject land is own

00:59:13.359 --> 00:59:15.496
general residential and under the

00:59:15.520 --> 00:59:18.520
Tasmanian planning scheme  it's not

00:59:18.960 --> 00:59:21.815
open space or recreation. Um a lot of

00:59:21.839 --> 00:59:24.839
people mentioned that  you know it was

00:59:24.960 --> 00:59:27.656
zoned or or under the planning scheme

00:59:27.680 --> 00:59:29.976
was zoned as a park. It's it's zoned

00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:32.055
general residential same as the houses

00:59:32.079 --> 00:59:34.616
around it. Um certainly not open space

00:59:34.640 --> 00:59:36.535
or rec recreation under the planning

00:59:36.559 --> 00:59:39.095
scheme.  the purpose of the general

00:59:39.119 --> 00:59:42.119
residential zone is to support housing.

00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:44.535
Retaining land within the zone as

00:59:44.559 --> 00:59:47.416
passive open space is inconsistent

00:59:47.440 --> 00:59:50.440
with its intended planning outcome. 

00:59:50.640 --> 00:59:53.640
it's a 4,000 m parcel and it's located

00:59:53.920 --> 00:59:56.696
approximately 400 m from a hospital and

00:59:56.720 --> 00:59:59.416
sits within an area already serviced

00:59:59.440 --> 01:00:02.440
well by open space. Burnie currently has

01:00:02.720 --> 01:00:05.720
over 200 parks and reserves. We are one

01:00:05.920 --> 01:00:08.920
of the  largest landholders of public

01:00:09.280 --> 01:00:12.280
space in Tasmania.  I did the numbers

01:00:12.319 --> 01:00:14.696
and we've actually if you said Burnie

01:00:14.720 --> 01:00:17.720
had 22,000 people, we've got enough

01:00:17.839 --> 01:00:19.496
public space that everyone could have

01:00:19.520 --> 01:00:22.136
their own basketball court

01:00:22.160 --> 01:00:25.160
in the area of this block.  we we've

01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:28.535
got approximately 105 hectares of

01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:31.559
sporting grounds. View Road Reserve just

01:00:31.760 --> 01:00:34.760
down the road, 40 hectares. Burnie Park

01:00:35.040 --> 01:00:38.040
 a a a beautiful asset to the city 9.3

01:00:38.880 --> 01:00:41.880
hectares West Park Oval 4 hectares Kooi

01:00:42.160 --> 01:00:44.616
for and coastal reserves how street net

01:00:44.640 --> 01:00:47.640
courts 3.5 hectares  Burnie tennis

01:00:48.079 --> 01:00:51.079
court eastwood reserve 3.3 hectares 

01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:53.815
multiple neighborhood reserves within

01:00:53.839 --> 01:00:56.055
the 1 kilometer there's upland's place

01:00:56.079 --> 01:00:59.016
there's a 3,000 m block that most people

01:00:59.040 --> 01:01:01.256
in Burnie wouldn't even know is there um

01:01:01.280 --> 01:01:03.976
just near the hospital  By Street,

01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:05.896
there's a massive park in there, 3

01:01:05.920 --> 01:01:08.920
12,000 square m.  further a field, but

01:01:09.680 --> 01:01:11.736
obviously still in Burnie. Fernlade 80

01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:14.760
hectares. Roundhill 140 hectares. Um the

01:01:15.359 --> 01:01:17.256
Burnie Golf Club, that's zoned

01:01:17.280 --> 01:01:20.280
recreation, that's 48 hectares. Um a

01:01:20.559 --> 01:01:22.295
number of additional recreation grounds,

01:01:22.319 --> 01:01:24.616
Ridgely Natone, Stoppport, Montello,

01:01:24.640 --> 01:01:27.640
McKenna Park.  there would be many I

01:01:27.920 --> 01:01:30.920
haven't mentioned.  the reality is

01:01:30.960 --> 01:01:32.936
that Burnie is not lacking in open

01:01:32.960 --> 01:01:35.960
space. It has an abundance of it. And I

01:01:36.559 --> 01:01:39.176
think it's really important to know that

01:01:39.200 --> 01:01:42.200
it it's never a popularity contest with

01:01:42.720 --> 01:01:44.936
public land or you know, you're always

01:01:44.960 --> 01:01:47.416
going to find people surrounding it who

01:01:47.440 --> 01:01:50.440
would like it to remain. However,  we

01:01:50.880 --> 01:01:52.775
go and mow this block several times a

01:01:52.799 --> 01:01:55.016
year.  and and we struggle to get out

01:01:55.040 --> 01:01:57.095
to Naton and Stoport and slash the sides

01:01:57.119 --> 01:01:59.416
of the road once. So we need to be equal

01:01:59.440 --> 01:02:02.440
to all rate payers and   maintaining

01:02:03.119 --> 01:02:05.976
a large number of these small unutilized

01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:07.976
or underutilized reserves place an

01:02:08.000 --> 01:02:10.936
ongoing cost burden on council.

01:02:10.960 --> 01:02:13.896
 in contrast many rural areas as I

01:02:13.920 --> 01:02:15.496
said receive minimal maintenance

01:02:15.520 --> 01:02:17.736
attention. Rate payers are increasingly

01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:20.055
telling us they want fewer better

01:02:20.079 --> 01:02:23.079
quality assets not fragmented ones. Um

01:02:23.680 --> 01:02:26.136
these pocket parks  as I said they

01:02:26.160 --> 01:02:29.160
they end up with council from developers

01:02:29.520 --> 01:02:32.520
 in a form of payment.  what we hear

01:02:33.280 --> 01:02:35.256
and what the feedback I've heard is that

01:02:35.280 --> 01:02:37.256
people want destination parks. They they

01:02:37.280 --> 01:02:40.280
want the $ 1.5 2 million parks. They

01:02:40.640 --> 01:02:42.936
don't want an empty block with no

01:02:42.960 --> 01:02:45.736
nothing on it.  modern community

01:02:45.760 --> 01:02:47.815
expectations are shifting. Families are

01:02:47.839 --> 01:02:50.616
seeking highquality recreational spaces,

01:02:50.640 --> 01:02:53.640
not small leftover parcels of grass. 

01:02:53.760 --> 01:02:56.616
in this context, it is appropriate to

01:02:56.640 --> 01:02:59.256
rationalize underutilized land holdings,

01:02:59.280 --> 01:03:01.815
prioritize investment into higher

01:03:01.839 --> 01:03:04.839
quality, well-used assets.  and that's

01:03:05.119 --> 01:03:07.095
the reason for the amending the emotion.

01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:09.736
I want to see the money from this land

01:03:09.760 --> 01:03:12.760
go to making our parks better. Um, and

01:03:12.880 --> 01:03:15.736
instead of a handful of children using

01:03:15.760 --> 01:03:17.656
it, I want to see hundreds or thousands

01:03:17.680 --> 01:03:20.680
use a bigger, better park. Um, this is

01:03:20.880 --> 01:03:23.335
not about reducing open space. It's

01:03:23.359 --> 01:03:25.815
about managing it more effectively for

01:03:25.839 --> 01:03:28.136
the benefit of the entire community. And

01:03:28.160 --> 01:03:31.160
I just really want to hit home that 

01:03:31.760 --> 01:03:34.136
if we kept every little piece of land we

01:03:34.160 --> 01:03:36.616
have, we just can't manage it. People

01:03:36.640 --> 01:03:39.176
want the city to look nicer. We've got

01:03:39.200 --> 01:03:41.256
far too many assets. Burnie's been good

01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:43.656
at many, many, many years that we just

01:03:43.680 --> 01:03:45.416
keep building more assets. We don't get

01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:48.440
rid of the old assets. , if we were

01:03:48.720 --> 01:03:50.856
the average family, we we we would still

01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:52.856
have our last 30 cars. We wouldn't sell

01:03:52.880 --> 01:03:55.496
any. , we've got to sell the car to

01:03:55.520 --> 01:03:57.815
buy the new one. Councils are no

01:03:57.839 --> 01:04:00.055
different to a family. , and that's

01:04:00.079 --> 01:04:02.456
that's the analogy there, and I hope the

01:04:02.480 --> 01:04:04.936
people around the table can see the plan

01:04:04.960 --> 01:04:06.856
there and, , jump on board and support

01:04:06.880 --> 01:04:07.416
it.

01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:09.575
Thanks, Councelor. Great. , councelor

01:04:09.599 --> 01:04:11.095
Dorsey in seconding.

01:04:11.119 --> 01:04:13.176
, yes. I actually I I really

01:04:13.200 --> 01:04:14.616
appreciate the motion and I agree with

01:04:14.640 --> 01:04:17.640
it wholeheartedly. Um,

01:04:17.839 --> 01:04:20.456
he didn't bring up that the Mars and

01:04:20.480 --> 01:04:23.416
Stella Mars are within walking distance

01:04:23.440 --> 01:04:25.416
from there, which has footy grounds, has

01:04:25.440 --> 01:04:27.815
has everything, has basketball, has

01:04:27.839 --> 01:04:29.335
I think there's even a pump track still

01:04:29.359 --> 01:04:30.856
to Stella Mars. I'm not real sure. I

01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:33.256
haven't been up there for a while. Um,

01:04:33.280 --> 01:04:36.136
council made a decision.

01:04:36.160 --> 01:04:37.736
Well, it's been it's been quite a while

01:04:37.760 --> 01:04:39.815
since we've made these decisions to

01:04:39.839 --> 01:04:42.055
offload assets that are no value to us.

01:04:42.079 --> 01:04:43.575
This is no value to us. But actually, it

01:04:43.599 --> 01:04:46.055
is a value to us because

01:04:46.079 --> 01:04:48.616
if we use that money to improve our

01:04:48.640 --> 01:04:50.856
parks, it's a great value to us and I

01:04:50.880 --> 01:04:52.136
think that's a great addition to the

01:04:52.160 --> 01:04:55.160
motion. So, I'll be supporting this. Um,

01:04:55.680 --> 01:04:58.136
I think it's a win-win for everyone.

01:04:58.160 --> 01:04:59.815
Thanks, Councelor Dorsy. Councelor

01:04:59.839 --> 01:05:01.656
Keegan,

01:05:01.680 --> 01:05:04.680
thank you. Um I won't be supporting this

01:05:06.160 --> 01:05:09.160
alternate motion or the amendment

01:05:09.839 --> 01:05:12.839
 made to it for a couple of reasons.

01:05:12.880 --> 01:05:15.880
Um firstly last year when I suggested

01:05:16.079 --> 01:05:19.079
that council undertake an audit of its

01:05:19.520 --> 01:05:22.520
assets or its um underutilized spaces to

01:05:23.920 --> 01:05:26.920
sell to fund projects. um that was not

01:05:29.440 --> 01:05:31.976
supported around the table and rightly

01:05:32.000 --> 01:05:35.000
so because we have a budget process and

01:05:37.599 --> 01:05:40.599
a process that we rate our assets on and

01:05:44.000 --> 01:05:47.000
their upgrades. And that is how we

01:05:47.039 --> 01:05:50.039
decide where funding is to be channeled

01:05:51.839 --> 01:05:54.839
into our parks, our buildings, our

01:05:55.839 --> 01:05:58.839
sports grounds. etc. Um, so I have some

01:05:59.680 --> 01:06:02.680
concerns around the specific allocation

01:06:04.319 --> 01:06:06.775
of funds if this were to go through that

01:06:06.799 --> 01:06:09.799
it only be then used for

01:06:11.359 --> 01:06:14.359
parks and and reserves because I think

01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:16.456
we've had many discussions around this

01:06:16.480 --> 01:06:18.616
table that the entire purpose as I

01:06:18.640 --> 01:06:21.640
understand it of undertaking

01:06:21.760 --> 01:06:24.136
an investigation into what assets

01:06:24.160 --> 01:06:26.696
council could potentially offload is so

01:06:26.720 --> 01:06:29.496
that we can

01:06:29.520 --> 01:06:32.520
invest in those projects that actually

01:06:32.799 --> 01:06:35.799
are at the top of the requirement for

01:06:36.640 --> 01:06:39.640
improvement. So that's the first reason

01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:43.000
 why I won't be um supporting the

01:06:44.319 --> 01:06:47.319
alternate motion and the amendment to

01:06:47.359 --> 01:06:50.359
it. Um but the second I suppose and um

01:06:51.680 --> 01:06:54.456
oh actually I just have a  clarifying

01:06:54.480 --> 01:06:57.480
question. How often are these parcels of

01:06:57.680 --> 01:07:00.680
land maintained and mowed by council?

01:07:04.319 --> 01:07:06.616
I invite the appropriate staff member to

01:07:06.640 --> 01:07:09.640
respond just roughly

01:07:10.160 --> 01:07:13.160
 through you mayor. Um

01:07:13.440 --> 01:07:15.656
we have service levels for all our

01:07:15.680 --> 01:07:17.656
parks. So we we mow them at at various

01:07:17.680 --> 01:07:19.335
intervals and obviously the the high use

01:07:19.359 --> 01:07:21.416
parks get more  get more attention

01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:23.815
than the than the um the lower use

01:07:23.839 --> 01:07:26.839
parks. It's likely it would be mow it

01:07:27.119 --> 01:07:28.616
was it's still likely it' be moan

01:07:28.640 --> 01:07:30.295
monthly. It's in amongst houses and

01:07:30.319 --> 01:07:32.376
things like that and we  wouldn't be

01:07:32.400 --> 01:07:34.376
wanting it to get the grass to get too

01:07:34.400 --> 01:07:36.456
long. So, it's likely it gets 12 hits a

01:07:36.480 --> 01:07:37.736
year.

01:07:37.760 --> 01:07:39.335
Okay.

01:07:39.359 --> 01:07:42.359
Um when we as a council started looking

01:07:43.119 --> 01:07:46.119
at these parcels of land to sell, I

01:07:47.680 --> 01:07:50.680
engaged with the residents up there um

01:07:51.440 --> 01:07:54.440
to ascertain their their views um

01:07:55.520 --> 01:07:57.416
particularly after we went through in

01:07:57.440 --> 01:08:00.440
September the um resolution to look at

01:08:01.760 --> 01:08:03.575
offloading these off of the public

01:08:03.599 --> 01:08:06.376
register. And I've probably been up

01:08:06.400 --> 01:08:09.400
there four times since September um to

01:08:10.960 --> 01:08:13.335
speak to residents up there. And each

01:08:13.359 --> 01:08:16.359
time I've gone up there um there have

01:08:17.279 --> 01:08:19.016
been

01:08:19.040 --> 01:08:22.040
um neighbors who have been actually

01:08:22.239 --> 01:08:25.239
maintaining that area. Um so with

01:08:25.759 --> 01:08:27.815
whipper snippers and and ride on

01:08:27.839 --> 01:08:30.376
lawnmowers and the like. And so whilst I

01:08:30.400 --> 01:08:33.096
understand that an argument put towards

01:08:33.120 --> 01:08:36.120
the sale of these properties is that it

01:08:36.400 --> 01:08:39.400
will reduce council's service levels to

01:08:39.920 --> 01:08:42.616
these areas. Um and this is not in any

01:08:42.640 --> 01:08:44.775
way to diminish the work that council

01:08:44.799 --> 01:08:47.799
officers are doing. Um in all of the

01:08:48.319 --> 01:08:51.096
times that I've been up there um this

01:08:51.120 --> 01:08:53.735
area has been very well maintained and

01:08:53.759 --> 01:08:56.759
and kept neat and tidy. and I have

01:08:57.279 --> 01:08:59.416
witnessed the residents um and the

01:08:59.440 --> 01:09:02.440
neighbors undertaking that. So,

01:09:02.880 --> 01:09:05.016
councelor Grave provided a really

01:09:05.040 --> 01:09:08.040
comprehensive overview of what happens

01:09:08.400 --> 01:09:11.400
when subdivisions occur and the um

01:09:15.279 --> 01:09:18.135
contribution that developers make to

01:09:18.159 --> 01:09:21.159
councils. And while I understand that

01:09:21.440 --> 01:09:24.440
land contributions do not have to be

01:09:24.799 --> 01:09:27.016
retained to be kept as open space or

01:09:27.040 --> 01:09:30.040
even remain in public ownership. Um many

01:09:30.960 --> 01:09:33.016
of the residents in this area as is

01:09:33.040 --> 01:09:35.175
evidenced in the submissions that we

01:09:35.199 --> 01:09:38.199
received um chose to invest in this area

01:09:39.040 --> 01:09:42.040
because of that open space. And while I

01:09:43.120 --> 01:09:45.016
understand that that is not necessarily

01:09:45.040 --> 01:09:48.040
council's responsibility to sort out, um

01:09:48.960 --> 01:09:51.096
I'm also very aware that that then

01:09:51.120 --> 01:09:53.815
places those residents in a situation

01:09:53.839 --> 01:09:56.456
where they are faced with losing spaces

01:09:56.480 --> 01:09:59.096
that had for many of them influenced

01:09:59.120 --> 01:10:01.896
their decision quite heavily in in

01:10:01.920 --> 01:10:04.920
purchasing there or in building there.

01:10:05.280 --> 01:10:08.280
Um, and I I just think that

01:10:09.920 --> 01:10:12.456
other parcels of land that council have

01:10:12.480 --> 01:10:14.616
moved to

01:10:14.640 --> 01:10:17.256
um dispose of off the public land

01:10:17.280 --> 01:10:20.280
register have not had the

01:10:22.080 --> 01:10:25.080
potential impact that the um disposal of

01:10:27.360 --> 01:10:30.360
these parcels will have on the

01:10:30.880 --> 01:10:33.880
surrounding um neighbors and residents.

01:10:34.159 --> 01:10:37.159
and and I just ask councilors to keep

01:10:37.199 --> 01:10:39.976
that in mind as well as the allocation

01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:43.000
of funds from the sales um if this

01:10:44.239 --> 01:10:46.936
motion does in fact get up.

01:10:46.960 --> 01:10:49.960
Thanks councelor Keegan. Cancer Aitken.

01:10:52.320 --> 01:10:55.320
Thank you. Um

01:10:56.880 --> 01:10:59.880
I'll be supporting this alternative

01:11:00.239 --> 01:11:03.239
motion. , I do

01:11:03.679 --> 01:11:06.679
very much like your change, councelor

01:11:06.880 --> 01:11:09.736
Grave, with money going to

01:11:09.760 --> 01:11:12.760
 beautifying our parks and and

01:11:12.960 --> 01:11:15.960
parklands and reserves.

01:11:18.960 --> 01:11:21.960
A couple of key issues to this.

01:11:22.320 --> 01:11:24.456
The

01:11:24.480 --> 01:11:27.480
motion does not by by allowing the money

01:11:27.840 --> 01:11:29.896
to go to parks and reserves. The motion

01:11:29.920 --> 01:11:32.536
does not say that we're going to go and

01:11:32.560 --> 01:11:34.296
build

01:11:34.320 --> 01:11:37.320
parks with the cash.

01:11:37.440 --> 01:11:40.440
We do have a plan to build parks and

01:11:41.679 --> 01:11:43.816
maintain parks. We do have a very good

01:11:43.840 --> 01:11:46.840
plan.  what I believe this would mean

01:11:47.440 --> 01:11:50.440
is instead of saying rate payers paying

01:11:51.360 --> 01:11:54.360
$500,000 cash for it, then this this

01:11:55.840 --> 01:11:58.840
sort of money would be contributed into

01:11:59.440 --> 01:12:02.215
paying for what effectively what we're

01:12:02.239 --> 01:12:03.976
already going to be paying for at some

01:12:04.000 --> 01:12:06.536
point in time. We're not saying we're

01:12:06.560 --> 01:12:07.896
going to sell land so we can

01:12:07.920 --> 01:12:10.056
deliberately go out and build a fancy

01:12:10.080 --> 01:12:12.296
new playground. We have plans to build

01:12:12.320 --> 01:12:14.856
new playgrounds. this helps ease the

01:12:14.880 --> 01:12:16.695
burden on the rate payers to do it.

01:12:16.719 --> 01:12:19.016
That's what it's all about.

01:12:19.040 --> 01:12:21.976
Um

01:12:22.000 --> 01:12:24.536
the other thing that I was sitting here

01:12:24.560 --> 01:12:27.560
thinking was um we keep hearing of a

01:12:27.760 --> 01:12:29.816
housing crisis.

01:12:29.840 --> 01:12:31.736
 we kept talking about a housing

01:12:31.760 --> 01:12:34.760
crisis. Um one of the key things that I

01:12:35.199 --> 01:12:37.416
hear in the public is someone wants to

01:12:37.440 --> 01:12:39.655
do a subdivision

01:12:39.679 --> 01:12:42.679
and they can't. So typical example is um

01:12:44.320 --> 01:12:46.296
someone wants to build a subdivision on

01:12:46.320 --> 01:12:48.856
the western side of Morville Road. They

01:12:48.880 --> 01:12:50.296
can't build a subdivision because

01:12:50.320 --> 01:12:51.976
there's an allocation of land in

01:12:52.000 --> 01:12:53.496
Shawwell

01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:56.520
that's already marked as residential. So

01:12:56.800 --> 01:12:59.800
why they can't offload 5 acres there to

01:13:00.080 --> 01:13:02.776
build a nice subdivision because there's

01:13:02.800 --> 01:13:05.800
m there's land already allocated. We're

01:13:05.840 --> 01:13:07.816
not going any further forward with

01:13:07.840 --> 01:13:10.376
fixing a housing crisis. So until we

01:13:10.400 --> 01:13:13.400
start actually freeing up land in

01:13:13.840 --> 01:13:16.840
housing areas for housing developments,

01:13:17.760 --> 01:13:19.016
we're never going to fix a housing

01:13:19.040 --> 01:13:21.576
crisis. We'll just talk about it. So

01:13:21.600 --> 01:13:24.600
this is a perfect opportunity to free up

01:13:24.640 --> 01:13:27.640
some land surrounded by houses, a

01:13:27.840 --> 01:13:29.816
beautiful view. I'm sure the blocks will

01:13:29.840 --> 01:13:32.296
be worth an absolute

01:13:32.320 --> 01:13:34.376
squillion dollars, and if you get sick,

01:13:34.400 --> 01:13:36.056
you can walk 100 meters down the road to

01:13:36.080 --> 01:13:39.016
the hospital. Um, so I'll be supporting

01:13:39.040 --> 01:13:41.736
this and I do appreciate councelor Grave

01:13:41.760 --> 01:13:44.616
that this will actually lock in the

01:13:44.640 --> 01:13:47.175
funds to a direction that we're already

01:13:47.199 --> 01:13:50.135
heading in in helping us better our

01:13:50.159 --> 01:13:52.856
parks and playgrounds. Thank you.

01:13:52.880 --> 01:13:54.616
Thanks, Councelor Aitken. Are there any

01:13:54.640 --> 01:13:57.640
more speakers to this motion before you?

01:13:59.760 --> 01:14:01.016
Councelor, please.

01:14:01.040 --> 01:14:03.096
Um, I was very comfortable with the

01:14:03.120 --> 01:14:06.120
first motion that was up. Um, and I'm

01:14:06.800 --> 01:14:08.056
listening very intently to the

01:14:08.080 --> 01:14:09.336
discussion that's been had so far

01:14:09.360 --> 01:14:11.576
because I

01:14:11.600 --> 01:14:13.976
I'm sitting on the fence proverbally

01:14:14.000 --> 01:14:17.000
with this. Um, my concerns always been

01:14:18.159 --> 01:14:21.159
that people have purchased blocks and

01:14:22.239 --> 01:14:23.655
designed their houses and built their

01:14:23.679 --> 01:14:25.976
houses knowing that there was vacant

01:14:26.000 --> 01:14:28.536
land behind it. Now I know perhaps full

01:14:28.560 --> 01:14:30.456
hardly or naively there was an

01:14:30.480 --> 01:14:31.576
expectation that it wouldn't be

01:14:31.600 --> 01:14:33.336
developed as you've said councelor the

01:14:33.360 --> 01:14:36.360
grave but these rate payers have

01:14:37.440 --> 01:14:40.440
spent considerable funds thinking that

01:14:40.960 --> 01:14:43.576
there was to be this green space behind

01:14:43.600 --> 01:14:46.600
their properties and that worries me in

01:14:47.199 --> 01:14:49.016
terms of

01:14:49.040 --> 01:14:51.736
um as I say maybe it's full hardy or

01:14:51.760 --> 01:14:53.096
maybe it was naively that they thought

01:14:53.120 --> 01:14:54.776
this

01:14:54.800 --> 01:14:56.695
but there's still been

01:14:56.719 --> 01:14:59.576
expectation that this wouldn't change

01:14:59.600 --> 01:15:02.215
and while in the long term I think you

01:15:02.239 --> 01:15:03.655
know we have to be selling these parts

01:15:03.679 --> 01:15:06.135
and like I'm just the timing concerns

01:15:06.159 --> 01:15:08.695
me. Um

01:15:08.719 --> 01:15:10.776
yeah, as I say listening very intently

01:15:10.800 --> 01:15:13.016
to the to the to the arguments around

01:15:13.040 --> 01:15:16.040
the table. I'm I'm just not quite I'm

01:15:16.080 --> 01:15:17.976
yeah I'm not quite sure which way I feel

01:15:18.000 --> 01:15:20.376
on this one.

01:15:20.400 --> 01:15:23.400
There any other speakers to this motion?

01:15:24.000 --> 01:15:26.695
Councelor

01:15:26.719 --> 01:15:27.175
Lynch.

01:15:27.199 --> 01:15:30.199
Now, I I find it interesting. I thank

01:15:30.320 --> 01:15:33.175
Councelor Grave for your um for your

01:15:33.199 --> 01:15:35.736
response. You certainly summed up a a

01:15:35.760 --> 01:15:37.736
large amount of things as well. And

01:15:37.760 --> 01:15:40.376
also, Council Peas to your um questions

01:15:40.400 --> 01:15:43.016
about lucky people's intentions of of

01:15:43.040 --> 01:15:45.576
grabbing the land or sorry, buying plots

01:15:45.600 --> 01:15:47.336
of land around this. My understanding is

01:15:47.360 --> 01:15:48.856
that

01:15:48.880 --> 01:15:50.616
and I think that you said this council

01:15:50.640 --> 01:15:52.776
grave is that the original land blocks

01:15:52.800 --> 01:15:55.096
for sale were problematic and it took a

01:15:55.120 --> 01:15:58.120
long time for for the the sale of the

01:15:58.320 --> 01:16:01.320
block surrounding around to to sell. Um,

01:16:01.760 --> 01:16:03.336
I do find it interesting, although

01:16:03.360 --> 01:16:04.776
something that councelor Grab said that

01:16:04.800 --> 01:16:07.496
resonates with me is that this is 

01:16:07.520 --> 01:16:09.976
this is a a parcel of land that is used

01:16:10.000 --> 01:16:12.456
by a few and we're looking at  the

01:16:12.480 --> 01:16:15.480
city of Burnie and um developing assets

01:16:16.320 --> 01:16:19.096
that be used by hundreds if if not

01:16:19.120 --> 01:16:21.976
thousands. So, I I do find it difficult.

01:16:22.000 --> 01:16:23.976
Um I commiserate with those people that

01:16:24.000 --> 01:16:27.000
are um that I guess directly um affected

01:16:27.600 --> 01:16:30.296
that live in this area. But I think if I

01:16:30.320 --> 01:16:32.135
think about my broader responsibility as

01:16:32.159 --> 01:16:34.856
a counselor is to the city of Burnie and

01:16:34.880 --> 01:16:37.175
as uncomfortable as I feel um I think

01:16:37.199 --> 01:16:38.856
it's pretty clear which way I need to

01:16:38.880 --> 01:16:39.736
vote. Thank you.

01:16:39.760 --> 01:16:41.416
Thanks Councelor Lynch Councelor

01:16:41.440 --> 01:16:42.215
Simpson.

01:16:42.239 --> 01:16:45.096
Yeah, thank you mayor. Um and it's been

01:16:45.120 --> 01:16:46.776
a really interesting discussion and I'm

01:16:46.800 --> 01:16:49.016
going to I guess reflect the words of

01:16:49.040 --> 01:16:50.296
the other counselors in thanking

01:16:50.320 --> 01:16:52.376
councelor Gray for his input there and

01:16:52.400 --> 01:16:53.576
he's got obviously a fair bit of

01:16:53.600 --> 01:16:56.600
knowledge around real estate. Um,

01:16:57.520 --> 01:16:58.776
so I've been really supportive of

01:16:58.800 --> 01:16:59.736
everything. It's been a really

01:16:59.760 --> 01:17:02.616
interesting topic and I'm learning

01:17:02.640 --> 01:17:04.056
actually quite a lot as we go around

01:17:04.080 --> 01:17:05.655
because your mind sort of goes which way

01:17:05.679 --> 01:17:08.679
do I go now? But um, I really also want

01:17:08.719 --> 01:17:10.776
to thank , thank councelor Keegan for

01:17:10.800 --> 01:17:11.976
going up and talking to the residents. I

01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:13.736
think that's really important. Um,

01:17:13.760 --> 01:17:15.096
getting their input and for the

01:17:15.120 --> 01:17:17.736
residents to supply their submissions. I

01:17:17.760 --> 01:17:19.655
think u reading through all of those all

01:17:19.679 --> 01:17:22.679
quite valid and understanding but um

01:17:22.880 --> 01:17:25.880
what council Lynch has just said

01:17:26.080 --> 01:17:27.655
you know we do we have to look at the

01:17:27.679 --> 01:17:29.416
broader picture for Burnie  councelor

01:17:29.440 --> 01:17:31.175
Aitken did bring up that you know this

01:17:31.199 --> 01:17:34.135
money  going in we do need more

01:17:34.159 --> 01:17:36.856
housing that's a given  I think

01:17:36.880 --> 01:17:38.776
there's opportunity for that to happen

01:17:38.800 --> 01:17:41.175
and I think  it's going to benefit a

01:17:41.199 --> 01:17:42.856
lot of us it's been it's a very tough

01:17:42.880 --> 01:17:44.936
decision because of the way the

01:17:44.960 --> 01:17:46.296
neighbors think but I feel like it's

01:17:46.320 --> 01:17:48.776
it's it's a value piece of land. , and

01:17:48.800 --> 01:17:51.336
I think we'll be able to, you know,

01:17:51.360 --> 01:17:53.096
perhaps get more housing and then put

01:17:53.120 --> 01:17:55.736
that money towards our parks. Um, but

01:17:55.760 --> 01:17:57.016
yeah, I just want to say thanks to

01:17:57.040 --> 01:17:58.936
everyone though for what they've put in.

01:17:58.960 --> 01:18:01.576
, and for Justin again for what you've

01:18:01.600 --> 01:18:03.336
said. Thank you.

01:18:03.360 --> 01:18:05.175
Thanks, Councelor Simpson. Councelor

01:18:05.199 --> 01:18:06.296
Kagan, did you have a follow-up

01:18:06.320 --> 01:18:06.856
question?

01:18:06.880 --> 01:18:09.880
Yeah, I've got two actually. Um, to the

01:18:11.040 --> 01:18:14.040
general manager. Um in the instance that

01:18:14.480 --> 01:18:17.480
these um parcels of land are sold, there

01:18:19.840 --> 01:18:22.840
is no guarantee or control that council

01:18:22.960 --> 01:18:25.960
has over who purchases them and whether

01:18:27.920 --> 01:18:30.920
or not they leave them as open space or

01:18:30.960 --> 01:18:32.695
put them

01:18:32.719 --> 01:18:35.719
to a DA for developments. Is there

01:18:38.560 --> 01:18:41.560
 through May? We haven't  as

01:18:42.159 --> 01:18:44.296
officers worked out what the disposal

01:18:44.320 --> 01:18:47.320
process would be per se. Um but it would

01:18:48.880 --> 01:18:51.880
be presumably conducted um in a

01:18:52.400 --> 01:18:54.456
traditional real estate sense in that

01:18:54.480 --> 01:18:56.616
they would be put on the market and then

01:18:56.640 --> 01:18:59.096
um so we do have I guess if your

01:18:59.120 --> 01:19:00.695
question is do we have any input into

01:19:00.719 --> 01:19:03.336
purchases? We do as as land owner of

01:19:03.360 --> 01:19:06.360
course. Um but like with any property 

01:19:07.120 --> 01:19:09.416
ownership, it is up to that owner of

01:19:09.440 --> 01:19:12.440
that land to develop or other otherwise

01:19:12.640 --> 01:19:14.856
the property as they so wish. Um there

01:19:14.880 --> 01:19:17.496
will be statutory um planning approvals

01:19:17.520 --> 01:19:19.096
and building approvals that need to go

01:19:19.120 --> 01:19:21.175
through um should they wish to develop.

01:19:21.199 --> 01:19:24.199
Um but but equally um should they um

01:19:24.320 --> 01:19:26.856
yeah sit on that for for one of a better

01:19:26.880 --> 01:19:29.880
phrase um yeah there'd be few controls

01:19:30.159 --> 01:19:31.655
we can take in that place.

01:19:31.679 --> 01:19:34.679
Yeah. So there is no guarantee that if

01:19:35.280 --> 01:19:38.280
these blocks are sold to address the

01:19:38.880 --> 01:19:41.880
housing crisis that we will end up with

01:19:41.920 --> 01:19:44.920
any additional housing stock at any

01:19:45.280 --> 01:19:46.296
point in time

01:19:46.320 --> 01:19:48.616
through the only guarantee would be if

01:19:48.640 --> 01:19:51.640
we ran a a disposal process that ensured

01:19:51.840 --> 01:19:54.840
that the purchaser had intent to develop

01:19:55.679 --> 01:19:57.096
should that be the desire.

01:19:57.120 --> 01:20:00.120
Okay. Um and then my second clarifying

01:20:01.120 --> 01:20:04.120
question is in relation to the specific

01:20:05.040 --> 01:20:08.040
allocation of funds to specific projects

01:20:09.520 --> 01:20:12.520
based on the sale of specific assets. Is

01:20:12.800 --> 01:20:15.800
this a um we obviously haven't received

01:20:17.040 --> 01:20:20.040
um advice from the GM in relation to

01:20:20.080 --> 01:20:23.080
this. Is this a  process that as GM

01:20:25.600 --> 01:20:28.600
you would recommend for budget processes

01:20:29.040 --> 01:20:32.040
for council allocation of funds?

01:20:32.239 --> 01:20:34.856
 through me there there's a couple of

01:20:34.880 --> 01:20:37.016
points I guess I can respond. It it is

01:20:37.040 --> 01:20:40.040
not uncommon  for councils that have

01:20:40.320 --> 01:20:43.096
asset disposals to allocate as part of a

01:20:43.120 --> 01:20:46.120
motion where that funding um may be 

01:20:46.480 --> 01:20:49.175
may be directed. So the notion of

01:20:49.199 --> 01:20:51.175
redirecting you know funds to whether it

01:20:51.199 --> 01:20:53.016
be parks and reserves or to pay off a

01:20:53.040 --> 01:20:55.096
loan or to do something that is is quite

01:20:55.120 --> 01:20:58.120
a common practice. Um so um so that part

01:20:58.880 --> 01:21:01.880
is is I'm quite comfortable with um in

01:21:02.000 --> 01:21:04.776
terms of the sense of that parks and

01:21:04.800 --> 01:21:07.576
reserves um council has adopted

01:21:07.600 --> 01:21:09.256
strategies as that's been mentioned

01:21:09.280 --> 01:21:11.336
where we will require investment in the

01:21:11.360 --> 01:21:13.175
future. We have adopted playground

01:21:13.199 --> 01:21:15.175
strategies. we have other strategies

01:21:15.199 --> 01:21:18.135
where we plan to beautify and work on um

01:21:18.159 --> 01:21:20.856
parks and reserves. So again um it is

01:21:20.880 --> 01:21:23.576
consistent um the motion with in my view

01:21:23.600 --> 01:21:26.376
um the strategic direction um of of

01:21:26.400 --> 01:21:28.536
council. So um whilst we haven't

01:21:28.560 --> 01:21:31.175
provided advice nor um was aware of that

01:21:31.199 --> 01:21:34.199
change prior to tonight um my quick

01:21:34.800 --> 01:21:37.416
summation is that I believe both um it

01:21:37.440 --> 01:21:40.296
it's a common practice to to do this for

01:21:40.320 --> 01:21:42.695
asset disposal and it is in line with um

01:21:42.719 --> 01:21:44.215
our strategic direction.

01:21:44.239 --> 01:21:46.056
Great. Thank you for that.

01:21:46.080 --> 01:21:49.080
Councelor Grave, do you wish to sum up?

01:21:49.679 --> 01:21:51.816
Yeah, just a a quick one on the the

01:21:51.840 --> 01:21:53.816
blocks on Brickport Road and and the

01:21:53.840 --> 01:21:56.840
talk about public open space. the the

01:21:56.880 --> 01:21:59.880
blocks down there range from 750 800 m.

01:22:00.800 --> 01:22:02.615
That's the average. So they're they're

01:22:02.639 --> 01:22:04.695
quite large blocks. In Australia, the

01:22:04.719 --> 01:22:07.016
national average at the moment is 380 to

01:22:07.040 --> 01:22:09.816
400 m. So they're they're nearly double

01:22:09.840 --> 01:22:12.840
that. Um as as I mentioned, we got four

01:22:13.600 --> 01:22:16.456
schools in that area, several parks,

01:22:16.480 --> 01:22:19.480
hundreds of acres within 1.5ks.

01:22:20.480 --> 01:22:23.336
 we got public space coming out our

01:22:23.360 --> 01:22:26.360
ears. Um in some of the submissions

01:22:26.480 --> 01:22:27.976
people talked about would it change

01:22:28.000 --> 01:22:31.000
their value?  vacant land next to a

01:22:31.760 --> 01:22:34.760
house  that is park  with no play

01:22:36.000 --> 01:22:39.000
equipment on it is is normally valued at

01:22:39.040 --> 01:22:42.040
cost neutral.  if you do get player

01:22:42.480 --> 01:22:44.936
equipment on a vacant block of land, the

01:22:44.960 --> 01:22:47.576
surrounding houses normally marginally

01:22:47.600 --> 01:22:50.536
drop. Um that comes from the soccer ball

01:22:50.560 --> 01:22:52.376
effect. If if people get the old soccer

01:22:52.400 --> 01:22:54.215
ball kicked into their fence 100 times a

01:22:54.239 --> 01:22:56.376
day,  people don't like to live

01:22:56.400 --> 01:22:58.856
surrounding the park, but the houses one

01:22:58.880 --> 01:23:01.880
house away generally are worth a little

01:23:02.480 --> 01:23:05.480
bit more. So that's that's what I've

01:23:05.760 --> 01:23:07.655
seen in 20 years of real estate with

01:23:07.679 --> 01:23:10.456
with value of vacant land and and as I

01:23:10.480 --> 01:23:12.135
said, it's cost neutral as long as that

01:23:12.159 --> 01:23:15.159
vacant land is maintained. So, um I

01:23:16.080 --> 01:23:18.856
don't think that analogy in the in the

01:23:18.880 --> 01:23:20.615
reports that it may affect some house

01:23:20.639 --> 01:23:23.175
values up there  won't reign true

01:23:23.199 --> 01:23:26.199
because  it it's underutilized. It's

01:23:26.480 --> 01:23:28.056
just a vacant block of land what's sat

01:23:28.080 --> 01:23:31.080
there. Um the amount of time I've been

01:23:31.600 --> 01:23:34.600
on council here.  my desk has not been

01:23:34.800 --> 01:23:36.695
flooded with requests for play equipment

01:23:36.719 --> 01:23:39.719
there. Um we've not been hassled, not me

01:23:41.040 --> 01:23:43.816
personally, regards mowing it. Um, I

01:23:43.840 --> 01:23:46.840
lived on Brick Court Road as a kid. Um,

01:23:47.040 --> 01:23:49.096
not that far, about eight houses away

01:23:49.120 --> 01:23:52.120
from that block, never went there. Um,

01:23:52.800 --> 01:23:54.296
got on the push bike, went to the

01:23:54.320 --> 01:23:56.056
schools, went to the park, went to a few

01:23:56.080 --> 01:23:59.080
roads. So, we we certainly weren't 

01:23:59.199 --> 01:24:01.016
jumping on our push bikes to go to a

01:24:01.040 --> 01:24:04.040
flat vacant block. Um, there's many many

01:24:04.639 --> 01:24:06.776
better places  up there. And as I

01:24:06.800 --> 01:24:09.800
said, we we're absolutely blessed  in

01:24:10.080 --> 01:24:13.080
that area in West Park um to to have so

01:24:13.440 --> 01:24:15.416
much public space with View Road Reserve

01:24:15.440 --> 01:24:18.296
and and beautiful places like that where

01:24:18.320 --> 01:24:20.536
 people can take their kids and go and

01:24:20.560 --> 01:24:22.376
have fun and as I said we have a bit of

01:24:22.400 --> 01:24:24.536
money. Always hard for the surrounding

01:24:24.560 --> 01:24:27.016
neighbors. I I agree  with councelor

01:24:27.040 --> 01:24:30.040
Keegan.  very hard  to to have that

01:24:31.280 --> 01:24:34.215
in Tasmania when you buy it's cave empty

01:24:34.239 --> 01:24:37.016
buyer beware. Do as much research as you

01:24:37.040 --> 01:24:38.776
can. The land is zoned general

01:24:38.800 --> 01:24:41.416
residential. Why that land is zoned

01:24:41.440 --> 01:24:43.336
general residential.

01:24:43.360 --> 01:24:45.736
It's other blocks in Burnie that we

01:24:45.760 --> 01:24:48.056
can't get zone general like zoned

01:24:48.080 --> 01:24:50.936
residential to build on. So that block

01:24:50.960 --> 01:24:53.096
there being zoned general residential

01:24:53.120 --> 01:24:55.416
needs to have housing on it. If we can't

01:24:55.440 --> 01:24:58.440
put housing on it, it it this takes 

01:24:58.560 --> 01:25:01.560
as council Raiken alluded to, it stops

01:25:02.080 --> 01:25:04.376
other people putting subdivisions

01:25:04.400 --> 01:25:07.400
with housing on it because  the

01:25:07.600 --> 01:25:09.016
planners look at it and they say, "Well,

01:25:09.040 --> 01:25:10.615
in Burnie, we got heaps of general

01:25:10.639 --> 01:25:12.456
residential. We got heaps of general

01:25:12.480 --> 01:25:14.135
residential. You we don't need to

01:25:14.159 --> 01:25:17.159
allocate anymore." So,  unfortunately,

01:25:17.760 --> 01:25:19.655
that's why it needs to go. Money will

01:25:19.679 --> 01:25:22.215
benefit the whole city. And I'm I'm more

01:25:22.239 --> 01:25:24.296
than certain that the the few kids who

01:25:24.320 --> 01:25:27.016
play up there certainly will have the

01:25:27.040 --> 01:25:28.776
benefit of some new parks what are

01:25:28.800 --> 01:25:29.576
coming online.

01:25:29.600 --> 01:25:32.135
Thanks Councelor Grave.

01:25:32.159 --> 01:25:34.615
I'll put that motion and call it. All

01:25:34.639 --> 01:25:36.536
those in favor please raise your right

01:25:36.560 --> 01:25:39.560
hand. Councelor Dorsey, Councelor Lynch,

01:25:40.719 --> 01:25:42.376
Councelor Simpson, Councelor Grave,

01:25:42.400 --> 01:25:44.376
Councelor Aitken, and myself. Those

01:25:44.400 --> 01:25:45.976
against

01:25:46.000 --> 01:25:48.376
Councelor Keegan and Councelor Peace.

01:25:48.400 --> 01:25:51.400
That motion is carried.

01:25:53.120 --> 01:25:55.736
And I might just thank you um Peter

01:25:55.760 --> 01:25:58.760
Podge. We'll get councelor Boyd to join

01:25:58.960 --> 01:26:01.960
us again.

01:26:17.520 --> 01:26:20.520
Welcome back, Councelor Boyd.

01:26:24.320 --> 01:26:26.695
get you. You can find your place on page

01:26:26.719 --> 01:26:29.719
94. We have the public land register

01:26:29.840 --> 01:26:31.816
review. There's a recommendation before

01:26:31.840 --> 01:26:33.496
you. Thank you, councelor Keegan.

01:26:33.520 --> 01:26:35.896
Seconded, councelor Simpson. Any

01:26:35.920 --> 01:26:38.135
questions or comments on this one?

01:26:38.159 --> 01:26:39.016
Councelor Lynch,

01:26:39.040 --> 01:26:41.496
I just find it quite quite ironic in

01:26:41.520 --> 01:26:43.256
view of the last conversation that we

01:26:43.280 --> 01:26:44.856
just had. We now follow it up with a

01:26:44.880 --> 01:26:47.175
motion which actually underlines

01:26:47.199 --> 01:26:49.256
um the points that councelor Grave were

01:26:49.280 --> 01:26:52.280
making and um I encourage anyone to grab

01:26:53.040 --> 01:26:55.096
hold of a copy of the agenda and to have

01:26:55.120 --> 01:26:56.615
a look at this motion that sets it up

01:26:56.639 --> 01:26:58.776
very clearly where all the public land

01:26:58.800 --> 01:27:01.576
is um throughout the city of Burnie and

01:27:01.600 --> 01:27:02.856
surrounds.

01:27:02.880 --> 01:27:04.936
Thanks Councelor Lynch. Any other

01:27:04.960 --> 01:27:07.736
comments? I'll put the motion. All those

01:27:07.760 --> 01:27:09.976
in favor please raise your right hand.

01:27:10.000 --> 01:27:12.776
Thank you. That is unanimous. We have on

01:27:12.800 --> 01:27:15.800
page 129 a governance report for

01:27:15.840 --> 01:27:17.496
February.

01:27:17.520 --> 01:27:20.215
Thanks councelor Keegan and seconding

01:27:20.239 --> 01:27:23.239
councelor Simpson. Councelor Keegan just

01:27:23.600 --> 01:27:26.600
page 132 just a question for the GM in

01:27:28.320 --> 01:27:31.016
relation to the meeting with the office

01:27:31.040 --> 01:27:34.040
of the anti-discrimination commissioner.

01:27:36.400 --> 01:27:39.400
I'll invite the GM to respond.

01:27:39.760 --> 01:27:40.296
Yep.

01:27:40.320 --> 01:27:43.320
132 bottom 132.

01:27:46.080 --> 01:27:47.175
What would you like to know

01:27:47.199 --> 01:27:49.496
specifically, councelor Keegan?

01:27:49.520 --> 01:27:52.520
What was that meeting in relation to?

01:27:54.159 --> 01:27:57.096
 the office of the anti-discrimination

01:27:57.120 --> 01:28:00.120
commissioner provide training and the

01:28:00.639 --> 01:28:03.639
discussion was primarily around 

01:28:03.679 --> 01:28:06.376
opportunities for training programs for

01:28:06.400 --> 01:28:08.615
both counselors specifically and staff

01:28:08.639 --> 01:28:10.536
more broadly.

01:28:10.560 --> 01:28:12.776
Great. Thank you.

01:28:12.800 --> 01:28:14.615
Okay, I'll put the motion. If there

01:28:14.639 --> 01:28:17.639
isn't any other questions,

01:28:18.400 --> 01:28:19.896
put the motion. All those in favor,

01:28:19.920 --> 01:28:21.816
please raise your right hand. Thank you.

01:28:21.840 --> 01:28:24.840
That is unanimous. We have the on page

01:28:25.600 --> 01:28:28.600
142, communications journal.

01:28:29.440 --> 01:28:32.440
Thanks, Councelor Simpson. Moving.

01:28:32.560 --> 01:28:34.215
Thanks, Councelor Keegan. I've only got

01:28:34.239 --> 01:28:35.976
two counselors moving and seconding

01:28:36.000 --> 01:28:38.215
tonight. Thank you.

01:28:38.239 --> 01:28:40.776
Appreciate that. Any other questions,

01:28:40.800 --> 01:28:42.936
comments on this motion before you? I'll

01:28:42.960 --> 01:28:44.536
put the motion. All those in favor,

01:28:44.560 --> 01:28:47.560
please raise your right hand. Thank you.

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You have the Emergency Management Act 

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motion for page 144. Thank you,

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Councelor Grave. Moving that and

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seconded, Councelor Lynch. Are there any

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questions, comments?

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Put the motion then. All those in favor,

01:29:02.159 --> 01:29:04.056
please raise your right hand. Thank you.

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That is unanimous. We have the policy

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review code for tenders and contracts on

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page 147. Councelor Aitken, thank you for

01:29:11.120 --> 01:29:14.120
moving that. Seconded. Councelor Grave.

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Questions or comments on this motion?

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Oh, council.

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Oh, sorry.

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Do you have a question? Yeah, councelor.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, for those members of the general

01:29:32.400 --> 01:29:34.536
public that do like to have a look at

01:29:34.560 --> 01:29:37.175
policies and procedures,

01:29:37.199 --> 01:29:40.199
 there has been some changes made that

01:29:43.520 --> 01:29:46.520
not necessarily show more clarity, but

01:29:47.199 --> 01:29:49.256
the thresholds

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have been significantly reduced when it

01:29:51.520 --> 01:29:53.816
comes to council spending.

01:29:53.840 --> 01:29:56.840
 so there has been a lot more checks

01:29:57.679 --> 01:30:00.296
and balances put in place moving

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forward. Um

01:30:02.880 --> 01:30:05.576
we may have had incidences or council

01:30:05.600 --> 01:30:07.736
may have had incidences in the past

01:30:07.760 --> 01:30:10.760
where money's been spent and questions

01:30:12.320 --> 01:30:14.296
have been raised about how it's been

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spent and whether it was spent

01:30:15.760 --> 01:30:18.760
appropriately or not. Um, this document

01:30:19.360 --> 01:30:22.360
right now actually outlines how much of

01:30:23.280 --> 01:30:26.280
your rateayer money can get spent and

01:30:26.400 --> 01:30:28.695
what the process is of spending that

01:30:28.719 --> 01:30:31.719
rate money. So for anyone that's not

01:30:32.400 --> 01:30:35.400
100% sure on how your money actually

01:30:35.760 --> 01:30:38.760
gets spent by the Burnie City Council,

01:30:38.800 --> 01:30:41.256
then I suggest you read this document

01:30:41.280 --> 01:30:44.056
and you get your head around how much

01:30:44.080 --> 01:30:47.080
money they are allowed to spend with 

01:30:47.440 --> 01:30:49.096
before they have to have the discussions

01:30:49.120 --> 01:30:50.936
or have to have tenders or have to

01:30:50.960 --> 01:30:53.960
receive quotes. Um it's it's great to

01:30:54.000 --> 01:30:56.135
see this new policy. It's great to see

01:30:56.159 --> 01:30:59.159
the thresholds come down to

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something a lot less out of this world,

01:31:01.520 --> 01:31:04.520
so to speak. Um, and I'm very confident

01:31:05.120 --> 01:31:07.896
moving forward that money will continue

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to be spent responsibly at the Burnie

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City Council following this policy.

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Thank you.

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Thanks, Councelor

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Dorsy.

01:31:17.360 --> 01:31:20.056
Yes. On page 165

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there is selection criteria and

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they have minimum value and maximum

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value. So now project understanding

01:31:29.840 --> 01:31:31.496
include equality and competitiveness

01:31:31.520 --> 01:31:33.336
completeness of submission a minimum

01:31:33.360 --> 01:31:35.976
value of 10% and a maximum value of 25%.

01:31:36.000 --> 01:31:38.135
That's that's a massive difference. Um,

01:31:38.159 --> 01:31:39.816
and that's true with all of them. 15 and

01:31:39.840 --> 01:31:42.840
25, 15 and 20. Um, ONS traffic and risk

01:31:44.560 --> 01:31:47.560
management systems. That mean we're

01:31:47.679 --> 01:31:50.215
we're only giving it 5% value or 15%

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value. Which one are we giving it? Um,

01:31:52.719 --> 01:31:54.215
or is it just an arbitrary number

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somewhere in between?

01:32:04.639 --> 01:32:07.416
May. So um those numbers referenced

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there are um stipulated within the um

01:32:10.719 --> 01:32:12.695
act around the criteria that we can use

01:32:12.719 --> 01:32:14.695
and the minimum maximum amounts that can

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be used in any tender procurement

01:32:16.960 --> 01:32:19.896
process. Um the minimum maximum values

01:32:19.920 --> 01:32:22.856
are when we go to tender we don't put in

01:32:22.880 --> 01:32:24.456
the minimum maximum. We just need to

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ensure that the total cumulative spent

01:32:27.199 --> 01:32:29.896
 percentage is equal to 100 in all

01:32:29.920 --> 01:32:31.736
those criteria and we aren't allowed to

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move outside of that minimum maximum

01:32:33.920 --> 01:32:36.056
threshold. So the variance is there. So

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depending on the type of project we do,

01:32:38.400 --> 01:32:40.296
there's different values in those

01:32:40.320 --> 01:32:41.736
criteria that we're looking to find and

01:32:41.760 --> 01:32:44.536
and evaluate against.  now the reason

01:32:44.560 --> 01:32:46.135
I'm asking that is for local content

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which I've always been big on Burnie

01:32:48.159 --> 01:32:49.896
spending money in Burnie with Burnie

01:32:49.920 --> 01:32:51.655
businesses because that continues to go

01:32:51.679 --> 01:32:53.496
through that reverberates all the way

01:32:53.520 --> 01:32:55.816
through the community. Um so the local

01:32:55.840 --> 01:32:58.840
content is 5 to 10%. Um,

01:33:01.040 --> 01:33:04.040
do we ever go to 10% or

01:33:04.800 --> 01:33:06.296
I mean I actually I think it should just

01:33:06.320 --> 01:33:09.320
be 10% but yeah so through you may um it

01:33:11.120 --> 01:33:13.096
it does on occasion. So again it depends

01:33:13.120 --> 01:33:15.256
on the type of project. Some projects

01:33:15.280 --> 01:33:16.856
purely

01:33:16.880 --> 01:33:18.376
as you can imagine are more specialist

01:33:18.400 --> 01:33:20.615
based and and there may not be providers

01:33:20.639 --> 01:33:23.576
in Tasmania. So when we need to value

01:33:23.600 --> 01:33:25.336
more around their process or their

01:33:25.360 --> 01:33:27.416
quality or their safety, it allows us to

01:33:27.440 --> 01:33:28.936
lower that number to to ensure we're

01:33:28.960 --> 01:33:31.175
getting the best best possible outcome

01:33:31.199 --> 01:33:31.736
for the project.

01:33:31.760 --> 01:33:34.056
So local content is Tasmanian, it's not

01:33:34.080 --> 01:33:34.776
Burnie.

01:33:34.800 --> 01:33:37.175
So local content  off the top of my

01:33:37.199 --> 01:33:38.936
head, I believe we can weight it to

01:33:38.960 --> 01:33:41.896
northwest coast,  northern Tasmania

01:33:41.920 --> 01:33:43.816
and state as well. So there's a

01:33:43.840 --> 01:33:44.936
different percentage point that we

01:33:44.960 --> 01:33:47.960
allow. It can be five, five for um

01:33:48.320 --> 01:33:50.376
Northwest Coast, three points for a

01:33:50.400 --> 01:33:52.536
northern company and a point for a state

01:33:52.560 --> 01:33:54.695
company. So again, we allocate different

01:33:54.719 --> 01:33:56.456
scoring weights against where they are

01:33:56.480 --> 01:33:57.496
situated in Tasmania.

01:33:57.520 --> 01:33:58.936
Well, that didn't fall into your range,

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but you know,

01:34:01.440 --> 01:34:03.496
on their the percentage will translate

01:34:03.520 --> 01:34:06.215
into a a number score out of 10. So when

01:34:06.239 --> 01:34:08.135
we score out of 10, it's weighted

01:34:08.159 --> 01:34:09.896
against that percentage

01:34:09.920 --> 01:34:11.096
if that makes sense.

01:34:11.120 --> 01:34:14.120
Sort of. Thank you.

01:34:14.560 --> 01:34:17.416
Okay, any other questions?

01:34:17.440 --> 01:34:19.175
Get you to pop your mic off. Councelor

01:34:19.199 --> 01:34:20.695
Dory,

01:34:20.719 --> 01:34:22.376
put that motion. All those in favor,

01:34:22.400 --> 01:34:24.296
please raise your right hand. Thank you.

01:34:24.320 --> 01:34:26.615
That is unanimous. Have the policy

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review for purchasing policy on page

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183. Thanks, councelor P's moving that

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seconded. Councelor Aitken. There any

01:34:35.280 --> 01:34:38.280
other questions, comments on this one?

01:34:38.639 --> 01:34:40.615
I'll put the motion. All those in favor,

01:34:40.639 --> 01:34:42.615
please raise your right hand. Thank you.

01:34:42.639 --> 01:34:44.695
That's unanimous. Have the Burnie City

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Council audit panel unconfirmed minutes

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for the meeting held on the 11th of

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February, page 194. Thanks, Councelor

01:34:51.840 --> 01:34:54.376
Peas. Moving seconded, Councelor Keegan.

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Any questions or comments on this

01:34:55.920 --> 01:34:57.496
motion?

01:34:57.520 --> 01:35:00.520
I'll put the motion.

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All those in favor, please raise your

01:35:02.560 --> 01:35:05.016
right hand. Thank you. That is

01:35:05.040 --> 01:35:07.416
unanimous. We have the bicesentennial

01:35:07.440 --> 01:35:09.256
committee unconfirmed minutes of the

01:35:09.280 --> 01:35:11.016
meeting held on the 26th of February

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page 244.

01:35:13.360 --> 01:35:16.360
Thanks councelor Simpson moving that

01:35:16.480 --> 01:35:18.536
seconded councelor Keegan. Thank you.

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Any questions or comments on this? Okay,

01:35:21.679 --> 01:35:23.655
I'll put the motion. All those in favor

01:35:23.679 --> 01:35:25.576
please raise your right hand. Thank you.

01:35:25.600 --> 01:35:28.056
That is unanimous. Now there being no

01:35:28.080 --> 01:35:30.456
non-aggenda items or further business, I

01:35:30.480 --> 01:35:33.480
declare the meeting closed at 8:35.

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Thank you.