WEBVTT 00:00:00.640 --> 00:00:02.696 well thank you to those present for our 00:00:02.720 --> 00:00:04.696 public meeting here at Burnie City 00:00:04.720 --> 00:00:07.335 Council this evening our meeting is open 00:00:07.359 --> 00:00:10.359 at 7:02 our apologies for the delay in 00:00:11.960 --> 00:00:14.535 start we welcome all counselors we don't 00:00:14.559 --> 00:00:16.296 have any apologies i might ask our 00:00:16.320 --> 00:00:18.216 Deputy Mayor please if you'd like to do 00:00:18.240 --> 00:00:20.856 our acknowledgement of country 00:00:20.880 --> 00:00:23.880 thank you Mayor Burnie City Council 00:00:23.920 --> 00:00:25.495 acknowledges that every part of 00:00:25.519 --> 00:00:28.519 Australia is always was and always will 00:00:28.720 --> 00:00:31.720 be Aboriginal land Burnie City Council 00:00:31.920 --> 00:00:34.296 pays respects to the Pakana Palawa 00:00:34.320 --> 00:00:37.320 original owners and cultural custodians 00:00:37.360 --> 00:00:39.336 of all the lands and waters across 00:00:39.360 --> 00:00:41.816 Trouwanna, Lutruwita, Tasmania upon which 00:00:41.840 --> 00:00:44.296 Pataway Burnie is situated and where our 00:00:44.320 --> 00:00:47.320 council meets thank you Deputy Mayor it 00:00:48.000 --> 00:00:50.456 is also noted that our open session of 00:00:50.480 --> 00:00:53.480 council meeting is video recorded and 00:00:54.199 --> 00:00:57.015 live streamed our I would like to invite 00:00:57.039 --> 00:00:59.416 our city chaplain Mr Steve Arnold to 00:00:59.440 --> 00:01:02.440 open for us in prayer 00:01:09.920 --> 00:01:12.920 Father thank you for blessing 00:01:13.960 --> 00:01:16.960 our blessing that were around me as 00:01:18.840 --> 00:01:21.840 well peace order justice and governance 00:01:23.280 --> 00:01:25.936 my favorite 00:01:25.960 --> 00:01:28.960 council 00:01:33.720 --> 00:01:36.720 beyond my general manager 00:01:37.720 --> 00:01:40.720 that you see people with success 00:01:41.439 --> 00:01:42.735 while 00:01:42.759 --> 00:01:45.759 they 00:01:47.079 --> 00:01:48.976 regular 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:51.296 business and peace in the lives of our 00:01:51.320 --> 00:01:54.320 council council staff 00:01:54.720 --> 00:01:57.720 commercial success opportunity for our 00:01:57.799 --> 00:02:00.799 future 00:02:06.439 --> 00:02:09.439 fundamental in the name of Jesus Christ 00:02:09.599 --> 00:02:11.336 Amen 00:02:11.360 --> 00:02:13.616 thank you to our city chaplain Steve 00:02:13.640 --> 00:02:15.816 Arnold now we have councelor 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:17.896 declarations of interest are there any 00:02:17.920 --> 00:02:19.736 declarations of interest tonight Miss 00:02:19.760 --> 00:02:22.616 councelor Boyd yes on the planning the 00:02:22.640 --> 00:02:25.640 planning section AO 0.77 stroke 25 on 00:02:27.280 --> 00:02:28.656 page 00:02:28.680 --> 00:02:31.680 169 thank you that's noted any other 00:02:32.640 --> 00:02:35.416 declarations okay we'll move on we have 00:02:35.440 --> 00:02:37.176 confirmation of the minutes of the open 00:02:37.200 --> 00:02:39.816 session of council held on the 29th of 00:02:39.840 --> 00:02:42.215 April on page 13 thank you councelor 00:02:42.239 --> 00:02:44.176 Keygan moving that seconded councelor 00:02:44.200 --> 00:02:47.200 Dorsey any questions or comments on that 00:02:47.519 --> 00:02:49.336 put that to the vote all those in favor 00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:51.495 please raise your right hand thank you 00:02:51.519 --> 00:02:53.056 that's 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:55.495 unanimous now we have the public 00:02:55.519 --> 00:02:58.519 questions on notice as a result of our 00:02:58.640 --> 00:03:00.935 last council public meeting there were 00:03:00.959 --> 00:03:02.935 several changes that were made to our 00:03:02.959 --> 00:03:05.575 public questions if your public 00:03:05.599 --> 00:03:07.656 questions were received in writing by 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:10.376 5:00 p.m tuesday one week prior to the 00:03:10.400 --> 00:03:13.256 council meeting these are now treated as 00:03:13.280 --> 00:03:16.280 public questions on notice your question 00:03:16.480 --> 00:03:18.376 and answer has been published in the 00:03:18.400 --> 00:03:20.536 agenda and will also be published in the 00:03:20.560 --> 00:03:22.935 minutes of the council meeting you do 00:03:22.959 --> 00:03:24.776 not need to be present at the meeting to 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:27.096 ask your questions and questions and 00:03:27.120 --> 00:03:30.120 answers cannot be debated if a question 00:03:30.159 --> 00:03:32.456 is refused the minutes will record your 00:03:32.480 --> 00:03:35.480 name and the reason for 00:03:36.519 --> 00:03:39.416 refusal so they are in the council 00:03:39.440 --> 00:03:41.816 agenda now we move to public questions 00:03:41.840 --> 00:03:44.456 without notice and again I'll just 00:03:44.480 --> 00:03:47.480 provide some information as a result 00:03:47.599 --> 00:03:49.736 of our last public meeting of course we 00:03:49.760 --> 00:03:52.536 did make those changes questions now 00:03:52.560 --> 00:03:55.560 received after 5:00 p.m on the 00:03:55.640 --> 00:03:58.640 Tuesday but before 5:00 p.m Friday prior 00:03:58.799 --> 00:04:01.736 to the council meeting if your questions 00:04:01.760 --> 00:04:03.816 were received after this time it will be 00:04:03.840 --> 00:04:06.056 deferred to the next council meeting and 00:04:06.080 --> 00:04:09.016 treated as a public question on notice 00:04:09.040 --> 00:04:10.935 you need to be present at the council 00:04:10.959 --> 00:04:13.575 meeting to ask your question if you are 00:04:13.599 --> 00:04:16.055 absent at the meeting your question will 00:04:16.079 --> 00:04:19.079 not be read or answered and it will be 00:04:19.359 --> 00:04:21.936 instead tabled at the next council 00:04:21.960 --> 00:04:24.696 meeting so with that in mind I would 00:04:24.720 --> 00:04:27.096 invite David McClean if you're in the 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:29.016 gallery thank you if you could please 00:04:29.040 --> 00:04:30.615 take to the microphone and read your 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:33.639 question 00:04:36.160 --> 00:04:37.816 good evening i have two questions 00:04:37.840 --> 00:04:38.936 tonight 00:04:38.960 --> 00:04:41.256 could the council please advise when 00:04:41.280 --> 00:04:42.776 community consultation will occur 00:04:42.800 --> 00:04:45.800 regarding the upcoming 202526 financial 00:04:46.320 --> 00:04:48.296 year budget and the impact on possible 00:04:48.320 --> 00:04:50.615 rate increases i believe the committee 00:04:50.639 --> 00:04:52.216 would like to see the council reduce its 00:04:52.240 --> 00:04:54.296 expenditure as advised last financial 00:04:54.320 --> 00:04:57.096 year as not all future projects need to 00:04:57.120 --> 00:04:58.536 be completed in the next year and there 00:04:58.560 --> 00:05:00.216 are areas of possible savings if the 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:03.096 budget is realistic 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:05.096 my response to that is there will not be 00:05:05.120 --> 00:05:07.576 any formal community consultation on the 00:05:07.600 --> 00:05:10.600 budget this year the unexpected absence 00:05:10.639 --> 00:05:12.936 of key staff and the first budget 00:05:12.960 --> 00:05:15.336 process for our new general manager has 00:05:15.360 --> 00:05:17.175 changed the internal budget processing 00:05:17.199 --> 00:05:20.199 and associated time frames if you'd like 00:05:20.240 --> 00:05:22.136 to ask your second question David 00:05:22.160 --> 00:05:24.455 question two i have asked many public 00:05:24.479 --> 00:05:25.735 questions regarding the visitor 00:05:25.759 --> 00:05:27.336 information center and its preferred 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:29.656 location at South Burnie so that we have 00:05:29.680 --> 00:05:31.416 an actual presence when visitors arrive 00:05:31.440 --> 00:05:34.376 in the northwest tourism Tasmania 00:05:34.400 --> 00:05:36.455 statistics state that over 500,000 00:05:36.479 --> 00:05:38.216 visitors visit our region each year 00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:40.776 which is increasing 00:05:40.800 --> 00:05:43.256 one one year on and the council is still 00:05:43.280 --> 00:05:45.015 using a shipping container that is only 00:05:45.039 --> 00:05:47.175 open when cruise ships visit and the 00:05:47.199 --> 00:05:49.015 council preferred option of Burnie Arts 00:05:49.039 --> 00:05:51.256 is still not providing this service and 00:05:51.280 --> 00:05:52.696 the only solution the council are 00:05:52.720 --> 00:05:54.856 interested in is a digital app when will 00:05:54.880 --> 00:05:56.856 Burnie Council support the local tourism 00:05:56.880 --> 00:05:58.696 and hospitality industries and seek 00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:00.455 state funding to build a new information 00:06:00.479 --> 00:06:03.479 center thank you council is actively 00:06:03.759 --> 00:06:05.576 pursuing external funding for 00:06:05.600 --> 00:06:08.216 information services at Burnie Arts and 00:06:08.240 --> 00:06:09.976 has just submitted an application 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:12.136 through the spirit preparedness fund 00:06:12.160 --> 00:06:14.376 grant process council's current 00:06:14.400 --> 00:06:16.776 financial position does provide 00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:19.800 significant funding to build or manage 00:06:19.919 --> 00:06:22.919 does not sorry provide sufficient 00:06:23.680 --> 00:06:25.056 I was going to say 00:06:25.080 --> 00:06:28.056 this to build or manage a new standalone 00:06:28.080 --> 00:06:31.080 service center at this time 00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:33.256 thank you for your question David is 00:06:33.280 --> 00:06:34.656 Scott Parker in the 00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:37.496 gallery well as per council's updated 00:06:37.520 --> 00:06:39.816 public question policy I just advise 00:06:39.840 --> 00:06:41.336 that Scott's question will be referred 00:06:41.360 --> 00:06:43.336 to in the June meeting as a public 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:44.656 question on 00:06:44.680 --> 00:06:47.680 notice okay now we have a motion on 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:49.895 notice for the beautifification of 00:06:49.919 --> 00:06:52.696 concrete columns on the coastal pathway 00:06:52.720 --> 00:06:55.496 moved by councelor Keygan seconded by 00:06:55.520 --> 00:06:57.256 councelor Simpson councelor Keygan would 00:06:57.280 --> 00:07:00.256 you like to speak to that yeah thank you 00:07:00.280 --> 00:07:03.280 um excuse me sorry the um concrete 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:07.560 columns that I am referring to are two 00:07:07.599 --> 00:07:10.599 columns at the intersection of Qi Point 00:07:11.360 --> 00:07:14.360 Road and the coastal pathway so they 00:07:14.560 --> 00:07:17.560 were previously used for traffic calming 00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:20.680 purposes and are still in very good 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:22.615 condition have just recently been 00:07:22.639 --> 00:07:25.639 painted white um we often hear as 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:29.256 counselors that our residents would like 00:07:29.280 --> 00:07:32.280 us to take more measures to beautify and 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:35.639 add color to our community areas this is 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:38.680 a relatively straightforward motion um 00:07:39.440 --> 00:07:42.440 that we invite local school 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:45.216 communities 00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:48.240 to beautify um design the concrete 00:07:49.680 --> 00:07:52.680 columns um I have discussed this with 00:07:52.800 --> 00:07:55.575 coun with council officers they are 00:07:55.599 --> 00:07:58.216 quite supportive of the motion and as 00:07:58.240 --> 00:08:00.615 indicated in the general manager's 00:08:00.639 --> 00:08:03.639 comments are able to implement this 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:06.680 within existing resources so it also 00:08:07.599 --> 00:08:10.599 gives our local school communities and 00:08:10.639 --> 00:08:12.216 students an opportunity to see 00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:14.776 themselves reflected in areas of our 00:08:14.800 --> 00:08:17.800 municipality 00:08:17.840 --> 00:08:19.496 thanks councelor Keygan councelor 00:08:19.520 --> 00:08:21.816 Simpson in seconding thank you Mayor yes 00:08:21.840 --> 00:08:24.136 um thank you Council Keygan for 00:08:24.160 --> 00:08:27.160 bringing this one to the table this 00:08:27.199 --> 00:08:29.256 evening it's a pretty it's it's a 00:08:29.280 --> 00:08:31.416 fairly simple motion it's easy it's it's 00:08:31.440 --> 00:08:34.440 not rocket science really um but it's a 00:08:34.479 --> 00:08:37.176 really good motion and I think it just 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:39.015 um you know when we look at schools and 00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:40.375 that could be primary schools it could 00:08:40.399 --> 00:08:42.536 be senior schools but you know there's 00:08:42.560 --> 00:08:44.856 lots of things that staff can do to work 00:08:44.880 --> 00:08:47.016 around competitions about what students 00:08:47.040 --> 00:08:48.456 might put their artwork on there there's 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:50.776 a whole variety of things and and that 00:08:50.800 --> 00:08:53.016 they can do in order to get that artwork 00:08:53.040 --> 00:08:55.016 done and it's you know it's it's 00:08:55.040 --> 00:08:57.016 educational as well because it could be 00:08:57.040 --> 00:08:59.176 something that relates to the area um to 00:08:59.200 --> 00:09:02.136 Burnie Platypuses whatever it may be um 00:09:02.160 --> 00:09:04.456 and it just you know it could bring 00:09:04.480 --> 00:09:06.935 schools together as well like it's not 00:09:06.959 --> 00:09:08.375 just one school but a variety of schools 00:09:08.399 --> 00:09:10.216 working together to do that and I think 00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:11.976 it's a really um simple motion I'm 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:13.255 definitely going to support it and I 00:09:13.279 --> 00:09:15.096 hope um others do as well thank you 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:18.120 thanks Councelor Simpson pencil Dorsey um 00:09:18.640 --> 00:09:21.640 yeah I'll be supporting this motion it's 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:25.440 um tried this about 10 years ago for the 00:09:26.160 --> 00:09:27.336 cement blocks that were on the 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:29.976 waterfront and what I intended was that 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:33.000 each school would have a side or um that 00:09:34.320 --> 00:09:35.736 the school would paint them and give 00:09:35.760 --> 00:09:37.495 some color to the waterfront instead of 00:09:37.519 --> 00:09:38.776 moving the cement blocks we would get 00:09:38.800 --> 00:09:40.536 them painted and that was vetoed by 00:09:40.560 --> 00:09:42.216 council officers saying that we couldn't 00:09:42.240 --> 00:09:44.216 do it for health and safety reasons of 00:09:44.240 --> 00:09:46.136 children so if you're going to put 00:09:46.160 --> 00:09:48.216 children at you know I'm sure the school 00:09:48.240 --> 00:09:50.536 and the council will take all due care 00:09:50.560 --> 00:09:52.616 there but the reason it didn't go ahead 00:09:52.640 --> 00:09:55.640 was for fear of danger to the children 00:09:56.360 --> 00:09:58.696 um so I don't know who you check with on 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:00.815 that but like I said that got 00:10:00.839 --> 00:10:03.839 vetoed 10 years ago so hopefully it 00:10:04.800 --> 00:10:06.616 won't get vetoed this time well I'm 00:10:06.640 --> 00:10:09.016 finding new management new systems new 00:10:09.040 --> 00:10:11.976 pathway forward councelor Dorsey is there 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:13.896 any other questions for this MO 00:10:13.920 --> 00:10:15.656 counselor please i'm just wondering if 00:10:15.680 --> 00:10:17.016 this isn't a project for the youth 00:10:17.040 --> 00:10:18.776 council perhaps whether we could do it 00:10:18.800 --> 00:10:20.616 through Burnie Works just whether that 00:10:20.640 --> 00:10:23.096 could be a a nice one for them to to get 00:10:23.120 --> 00:10:26.120 their teeth into so to speak 00:10:26.959 --> 00:10:29.456 okay did you wish to sum up Councelor 00:10:29.480 --> 00:10:32.055 Keygan i'll put this motion all those in 00:10:32.079 --> 00:10:34.296 favor please raise your right hand thank 00:10:34.320 --> 00:10:36.896 you that's unanimous 00:10:36.920 --> 00:10:39.920 okay are there any questions without 00:10:41.079 --> 00:10:44.079 notice move on council is now meeting as 00:10:44.399 --> 00:10:47.399 a planning authority for items 00:10:48.839 --> 00:10:51.839 AO76-25 to 00:10:52.279 --> 00:10:54.616 AO7825 council is now acting as a 00:10:54.640 --> 00:10:56.935 planning authority under the provisions 00:10:56.959 --> 00:10:59.096 of the Land Use Planning and Approvals 00:10:59.120 --> 00:11:02.120 Act 1993 councelor Boyd you can stay in 00:11:02.240 --> 00:11:04.375 the room for this one if you don't mind 00:11:04.399 --> 00:11:06.536 thank you so much 00:11:06.560 --> 00:11:08.296 it's the next one that you have a 00:11:08.320 --> 00:11:10.856 declaration of interest for if you don't 00:11:10.880 --> 00:11:13.255 mind thank you 00:11:13.279 --> 00:11:16.279 so page 20 in your agendas if you could 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:19.016 pop to that there's a recommendation 00:11:19.040 --> 00:11:20.016 before 00:11:20.040 --> 00:11:23.040 you can I please have a mover or second 00:11:23.760 --> 00:11:26.760 please and seconder 00:11:27.120 --> 00:11:29.176 thank you councelor Keygan and seconded 00:11:29.200 --> 00:11:31.656 councelor Simpson thank you is there any 00:11:31.680 --> 00:11:34.616 questions or comments on this motion 00:11:34.640 --> 00:11:37.640 go ahead aftermina chancellor Dorsey oh 00:11:37.920 --> 00:11:39.336 you want me to i thought Amina had her 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:41.736 thing up first so um they had a lot of 00:11:41.760 --> 00:11:44.760 problems with this one is I wasn't sure 00:11:45.279 --> 00:11:46.736 that 00:11:46.760 --> 00:11:49.760 the traffic assessment was proper 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:52.456 because it was done on a Friday and 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:54.776 there's no kinder on Friday so there's 00:11:54.800 --> 00:11:57.055 45 students less 00:11:57.079 --> 00:11:59.736 um which according to them that would 00:11:59.760 --> 00:12:02.216 create an extra 65 traffic movements 00:12:02.240 --> 00:12:03.495 there are serious traffic movements 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:05.016 there at the point this point in time 00:12:05.040 --> 00:12:08.040 also um they say it won't interfere but 00:12:08.560 --> 00:12:10.136 it's so it's impossible to get a park 00:12:10.160 --> 00:12:12.935 there now unless you go 30 minutes early 00:12:12.959 --> 00:12:15.959 it's um and with the traffic assessment 00:12:16.160 --> 00:12:17.815 did it take into account the new 00:12:17.839 --> 00:12:19.656 facility that's going across the street 00:12:19.680 --> 00:12:22.680 and what's happening with that um so 00:12:23.120 --> 00:12:24.776 there are licensing issues and for 00:12:24.800 --> 00:12:26.216 anyone who doesn't know I did own a 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:27.896 childcare center at one point in time 00:12:27.920 --> 00:12:29.336 there are licensing issues that are 00:12:29.360 --> 00:12:31.016 involved with this that's not to the 00:12:31.040 --> 00:12:34.040 planners but um they say there's four 00:12:34.160 --> 00:12:36.296 car parks i got confused with the car 00:12:36.320 --> 00:12:37.656 park someone might explain that the 00:12:37.680 --> 00:12:39.255 planner might um there's one for 00:12:39.279 --> 00:12:41.096 disability and the others are tandem so 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:44.120 when they leave when someone leaves the 00:12:44.399 --> 00:12:47.399 the facility they might not be in ratio 00:12:48.639 --> 00:12:51.639 and ratios count so there's I have I 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:54.495 have a ton of issues with this um shared 00:12:54.519 --> 00:12:57.096 parking um they say you can park on the 00:12:57.120 --> 00:12:58.536 street but not when you drop off kids 00:12:58.560 --> 00:13:00.055 and I said did have a childcare center 00:13:00.079 --> 00:13:01.495 most people drop off their kids at the 00:13:01.519 --> 00:13:02.935 same time they drop you know they drop 00:13:02.959 --> 00:13:04.456 their 3 to 5-year-old at the same time 00:13:04.480 --> 00:13:05.976 they take them to school and it's a real 00:13:06.000 --> 00:13:07.736 benefit that it's right there but if 00:13:07.760 --> 00:13:08.935 they go to a different school then 00:13:08.959 --> 00:13:10.055 they've got to drop them there then they 00:13:10.079 --> 00:13:11.615 have to get in line to go to drop them 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:14.055 there this is fraught with all sorts of 00:13:14.079 --> 00:13:16.216 issues primarily traffic issues and for 00:13:16.240 --> 00:13:18.696 the people who live on that street um 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:21.576 which I think are massive to add another 00:13:21.600 --> 00:13:24.600 what 100 car movements a day which 00:13:24.959 --> 00:13:27.959 barely coped with what it's got now 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:32.375 um yeah I'll just leave it at that i 00:13:32.399 --> 00:13:33.576 think there's problems everywhere with 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:35.495 this 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:38.055 thanks Councelor Dorsey 00:13:38.079 --> 00:13:39.656 any other speakers to this motion 00:13:39.680 --> 00:13:42.296 councelor Keygan yeah thank you um I 00:13:42.320 --> 00:13:45.320 just have a couple of well one question 00:13:45.519 --> 00:13:48.519 um to begin with for the planning 00:13:49.560 --> 00:13:52.560 officers um throughout the DA it talks 00:13:54.639 --> 00:13:57.639 about the um 00:13:57.880 --> 00:13:59.696 discretionary 00:13:59.720 --> 00:14:02.720 um or the need to meet the discretionary 00:14:04.240 --> 00:14:07.240 uses um and I don't have the page 00:14:08.399 --> 00:14:10.615 number in front of me but the 00:14:10.639 --> 00:14:13.639 development is considered to meet the 00:14:14.440 --> 00:14:17.440 parking requirements but then Pit and 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:21.000 Sherry indicate in their summary of the 00:14:21.920 --> 00:14:23.736 traffic 00:14:23.760 --> 00:14:26.760 um assessment that there are specific 00:14:27.360 --> 00:14:30.255 areas in which it does not meet the 00:14:30.279 --> 00:14:33.016 acceptable solutions so I'm just 00:14:33.040 --> 00:14:36.040 wondering if you can please um talk us 00:14:36.800 --> 00:14:39.800 through that because that was quite 00:14:41.199 --> 00:14:43.456 um confusing to 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:46.480 me that's okay thank you I've 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:49.720 qualified this like the main body of 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:53.240 my response for this report that our 00:14:53.279 --> 00:14:55.495 other planner Samantha Seaton did it so 00:14:55.519 --> 00:14:57.736 I'm not as wellversed with this 00:14:57.760 --> 00:14:59.336 application as what you would expect 00:14:59.360 --> 00:15:01.896 from my others that I've done but I can 00:15:01.920 --> 00:15:04.920 answer your question councelor 00:15:05.160 --> 00:15:08.160 in with midson traffic that was the t 00:15:08.959 --> 00:15:10.935 the traffic impact assessment was 00:15:10.959 --> 00:15:13.336 submitted by the applicant and the pit 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:15.736 and sherry peer review was um 00:15:15.760 --> 00:15:17.136 commissioned by 00:15:17.160 --> 00:15:20.160 council and what the findings of the pit 00:15:21.519 --> 00:15:23.336 and sherry peer review was that it 00:15:23.360 --> 00:15:26.136 couldn't meet the permitted standard but 00:15:26.160 --> 00:15:29.160 that they agreed with u Mr to Mitson's 00:15:29.360 --> 00:15:31.736 um findings that the tandem parking 00:15:31.760 --> 00:15:33.815 could comply with what we refer to as 00:15:33.839 --> 00:15:35.736 the the discretionary component being 00:15:35.760 --> 00:15:37.896 the performance criteria of that that 00:15:37.920 --> 00:15:40.536 standard so the where where they refer 00:15:40.560 --> 00:15:42.136 to an acceptable solution that's the 00:15:42.160 --> 00:15:43.896 tick the box solution essentially it's 00:15:43.920 --> 00:15:45.935 the the the the 00:15:45.959 --> 00:15:48.776 the scenario where we can't refuse upon 00:15:48.800 --> 00:15:51.800 it a performance criteria is 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:54.456 generally a qualitative assessment 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:56.696 that's required to be undertaken by a 00:15:56.720 --> 00:15:58.856 suitably qualified person whether it's a 00:15:58.880 --> 00:16:00.296 planner in this case it's a traffic 00:16:00.320 --> 00:16:03.320 engineer um and Samantha wasn't 00:16:05.759 --> 00:16:07.735 entirely comfortable with the tandem 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:10.759 parking in her initial assessment 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:13.735 hence why council commissioned the peer 00:16:13.759 --> 00:16:16.536 review so it's a was an independent 00:16:16.560 --> 00:16:19.560 assessment undertaken by an engineering 00:16:19.600 --> 00:16:22.216 firm that we paid so that it's not we 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:23.656 couldn't accuse them of having any form 00:16:23.680 --> 00:16:26.296 of conflict of interest and they 00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:29.320 still um concluded that the tandem 00:16:29.360 --> 00:16:32.055 parking did comply with that or did did 00:16:32.079 --> 00:16:33.735 satisfy that relevant performance 00:16:33.759 --> 00:16:36.216 criteria 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:39.240 thank you so much for that okay thank 00:16:39.680 --> 00:16:42.055 you for that 00:16:42.079 --> 00:16:44.935 um I guess just some clarifying 00:16:44.959 --> 00:16:47.896 questions if I may um because we did 00:16:47.920 --> 00:16:50.920 receive quite significant submissions 00:16:51.279 --> 00:16:54.279 from residents in that area 00:16:55.320 --> 00:16:58.320 particularly excuse me in Van Demon's 00:16:58.440 --> 00:17:01.440 Cresant um some of the submissions that 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:05.000 we received discussed the tandem 00:17:07.160 --> 00:17:10.160 parking and the four staff parking um 00:17:13.520 --> 00:17:16.520 spots and that the fact that the 00:17:16.760 --> 00:17:19.576 application talks about having four 00:17:19.600 --> 00:17:22.600 full-time staff on on site um and then 00:17:23.919 --> 00:17:25.895 some of the submissions you know brought 00:17:25.919 --> 00:17:28.919 up the ratios and the like of if staff 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:32.535 are going to have to move their cars 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:35.096 there might be issues with ratios that 00:17:35.120 --> 00:17:38.120 are required for standard child care 00:17:39.679 --> 00:17:42.216 could you just speak a little bit um 00:17:42.240 --> 00:17:45.240 please to what is able to be considered 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:48.136 as part of a planning matter and 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:50.936 planning and under the planning scheme 00:17:50.960 --> 00:17:53.960 versus what might sit outside of that 00:17:55.360 --> 00:17:58.360 yeah so um representations aside both 00:17:59.200 --> 00:18:02.200 Samantha and I have children under 12 00:18:02.720 --> 00:18:05.720 and we knew from our own experiences in 00:18:05.840 --> 00:18:07.416 taking our children to child care that 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:10.056 the ra what you know the ratios are are 00:18:10.080 --> 00:18:11.895 um probably a little bit more than what 00:18:11.919 --> 00:18:12.655 they've 00:18:12.679 --> 00:18:15.679 indicated that aside it does doesn't 00:18:17.520 --> 00:18:19.976 fall under the planning assessment what 00:18:20.000 --> 00:18:21.496 does fall under the planning assessment 00:18:21.520 --> 00:18:23.416 is the relevant parking standards that 00:18:23.440 --> 00:18:26.440 require the one park per staff member so 00:18:27.039 --> 00:18:30.039 the way we are proposing to control it 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:33.096 in this application is that we've got 00:18:33.120 --> 00:18:34.616 a condition on there to say that there 00:18:34.640 --> 00:18:37.096 can only be four staff on site at any 00:18:37.120 --> 00:18:40.120 one time and if for their ratios that 00:18:40.640 --> 00:18:41.816 doesn't work for them they need to 00:18:41.840 --> 00:18:44.296 reduce the child numbers until it does 00:18:44.320 --> 00:18:46.296 so that's that's beyond the scope of the 00:18:46.320 --> 00:18:47.736 planning assessment but it is an 00:18:47.760 --> 00:18:49.696 operational thing that they need to 00:18:49.720 --> 00:18:52.720 consider compliance we can't be up there 00:18:53.480 --> 00:18:56.480 24/7 um nor can we with any development 00:18:57.440 --> 00:19:00.440 and we would rely upon um observations 00:19:00.640 --> 00:19:02.936 from from others if if there is any 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:04.775 non-compliance to that but given that 00:19:04.799 --> 00:19:06.936 there's a condition on there saying that 00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:08.616 the recommendation is for approval 00:19:08.640 --> 00:19:11.256 subject to them only having four staff 00:19:11.280 --> 00:19:13.895 on site at any one time if they are in 00:19:13.919 --> 00:19:16.216 breach of that that I mean there's 00:19:16.240 --> 00:19:18.056 there's there's provisions not that 00:19:18.080 --> 00:19:19.736 they're enacted very often that in the 00:19:19.760 --> 00:19:22.760 in the um in the act that allows for the 00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:24.456 cancellation of a permit where there's 00:19:24.480 --> 00:19:27.416 been misinformation provided 00:19:27.440 --> 00:19:30.440 great thank you for that so I hope that 00:19:30.960 --> 00:19:33.960 for those who are listening those who 00:19:34.480 --> 00:19:37.480 are in the gallery for which this is of 00:19:38.080 --> 00:19:41.080 interest that that clarifies some of 00:19:42.760 --> 00:19:45.760 the angst in relation to the parking 00:19:47.200 --> 00:19:49.816 issue because we did receive um quite a 00:19:49.840 --> 00:19:52.056 few submissions or quite a lengthy 00:19:52.080 --> 00:19:54.775 submission that discussed that in in 00:19:54.799 --> 00:19:57.799 depth um I do want to thank the 00:19:58.559 --> 00:20:01.559 residents who took the time to forward 00:20:01.919 --> 00:20:03.256 their concerns both in their 00:20:03.280 --> 00:20:05.895 representations to council and to me 00:20:05.919 --> 00:20:08.919 personally i can understand very much 00:20:09.280 --> 00:20:12.280 the frustration and the angst that this 00:20:12.480 --> 00:20:15.480 has caused for many of them as a 00:20:16.000 --> 00:20:19.000 previous parent of both Milpara Early 00:20:19.760 --> 00:20:21.976 Learning Center and the before and after 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:24.136 school child care and Burnie Primary 00:20:24.160 --> 00:20:27.160 School um I am fully aware and the 00:20:27.760 --> 00:20:29.816 school association at Burnie Primary is 00:20:29.840 --> 00:20:32.696 fully aware of the immense difficulty 00:20:32.720 --> 00:20:35.720 that is caused in that area in terms 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:39.976 of finding parking to safely pick up and 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:43.000 drop off children um the road is almost 00:20:43.120 --> 00:20:46.120 at a complete stand still overflowing 00:20:47.039 --> 00:20:48.936 out onto Morville Road it backs up as 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:51.960 far as Britport Road from about 2:45 p.m 00:20:52.480 --> 00:20:55.480 onwards um as parents attempt to pick up 00:20:56.159 --> 00:20:59.159 children and buses um enter that area um 00:21:01.360 --> 00:21:03.655 it does cause already considerable 00:21:03.679 --> 00:21:06.056 traffic flow issues and counselors would 00:21:06.080 --> 00:21:08.616 be well aware I'm sure um having 00:21:08.640 --> 00:21:11.640 received complaints as I 00:21:12.200 --> 00:21:15.200 have that said however when council acts 00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:19.000 as a planning authority as has just been 00:21:19.880 --> 00:21:22.880 explained from our officer we are 00:21:23.039 --> 00:21:26.039 required to only take into account those 00:21:26.080 --> 00:21:28.696 issues that fall under the planning 00:21:28.720 --> 00:21:31.720 scheme which is very frustrating for 00:21:32.320 --> 00:21:35.320 us as as counselors um but it does mean 00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:38.216 that for example we cannot take into 00:21:38.240 --> 00:21:41.240 account ratios in terms of um 00:21:42.799 --> 00:21:45.799 adequate care for for that 00:21:46.360 --> 00:21:49.256 center um however I do feel confident 00:21:49.280 --> 00:21:52.280 that given that it is a condition of the 00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:55.176 approval of this DA that there can only 00:21:55.200 --> 00:21:58.200 be four staff on site that that will 00:21:58.640 --> 00:22:01.640 hopefully alleviate some of the angst 00:22:02.720 --> 00:22:04.616 that that has caused but also have a 00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:07.640 flow on effect to the potential numbers 00:22:08.760 --> 00:22:11.760 of traffic movements that will be as a 00:22:13.280 --> 00:22:16.280 result of that center if it is um in 00:22:16.960 --> 00:22:19.960 fact approved this evening 00:22:20.320 --> 00:22:22.856 thanks councelor Keygan councelor Boyd 00:22:22.880 --> 00:22:25.256 thank you as I've had a bit of 00:22:25.280 --> 00:22:27.015 experience with a childcare center we 00:22:27.039 --> 00:22:30.039 built the one at West Park Grove the 00:22:30.159 --> 00:22:31.856 first purpose built one in Burnie 00:22:31.880 --> 00:22:34.376 actually i have some some worries about 00:22:34.400 --> 00:22:35.535 the tandem 00:22:35.559 --> 00:22:38.456 parking that need to be monitored 00:22:38.480 --> 00:22:39.976 somehow 00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:43.000 and I mean it's the school was of 00:22:43.440 --> 00:22:45.895 course it's a busy street and the 00:22:45.919 --> 00:22:48.216 schools operates about 40 weeks a year 00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:50.135 so it's a bit of bit of spare time in 00:22:50.159 --> 00:22:51.135 all 00:22:51.159 --> 00:22:54.159 that and it's not like a school normal 00:22:54.640 --> 00:22:57.416 school for they go to nor drop the kids 00:22:57.440 --> 00:22:59.496 off and they walk up and they school but 00:22:59.520 --> 00:23:02.336 this is a different thing for child care 00:23:02.360 --> 00:23:04.936 they have to take them out and get all 00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:07.096 the bags and grins so it's not a a one 00:23:07.120 --> 00:23:09.176 minute job dropping children off for 00:23:09.200 --> 00:23:12.200 child care it's quite considerable 15 00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:14.376 minutes minimum I should imagine so 00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:16.216 there'll be a few dramas and I 00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:17.496 understand all the neighbors getting a 00:23:17.520 --> 00:23:20.015 bit anxious about 00:23:20.039 --> 00:23:22.616 parking so we we hope that they've got 00:23:22.640 --> 00:23:24.616 it right with the planning to approve 00:23:24.640 --> 00:23:27.640 this what they said here so we'll just 00:23:28.840 --> 00:23:31.416 Anyway we hope it works out for everyone 00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:33.015 concerned 00:23:33.039 --> 00:23:35.576 thanks Councelor Boyd chancellor Lynch 00:23:35.600 --> 00:23:37.895 just two points i I too was 00:23:37.919 --> 00:23:40.456 questioning the the parking for staff 00:23:40.480 --> 00:23:42.775 we're presuming that staff driving their 00:23:42.799 --> 00:23:45.336 cars to work it's quite possible that 00:23:45.360 --> 00:23:47.336 staffs might walk to work or they might 00:23:47.360 --> 00:23:49.176 ride their bicycles to work so it just 00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:51.015 seems to be a bit I don't know 00:23:51.039 --> 00:23:52.856 heavy-handed to just presume that they 00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:54.135 would we can only have four staff 00:23:54.159 --> 00:23:56.135 because they will have four cars however 00:23:56.159 --> 00:23:57.655 that's another thing and I guess the 00:23:57.679 --> 00:23:59.336 other thing with the traffic I too sh um 00:23:59.360 --> 00:24:01.256 share most concerns with that as well 00:24:01.280 --> 00:24:03.576 but what I do note is we're talking an 00:24:03.600 --> 00:24:05.576 hour in the morning and an hour in the 00:24:05.600 --> 00:24:08.600 afternoon when it's going to be quite 00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:11.640 chockish I guess is is the vibe there 00:24:11.760 --> 00:24:14.056 um people dropping their kids off prior 00:24:14.080 --> 00:24:16.376 to 8:30 and picking their kids up after 00:24:16.400 --> 00:24:18.376 4:00 from the childcare center probably 00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:20.696 won't run into the the before school and 00:24:20.720 --> 00:24:23.720 after school crowd so I um yeah I I I 00:24:24.640 --> 00:24:27.376 will be supporting the planning um as 00:24:27.400 --> 00:24:30.400 is bearing in mind that um you know we 00:24:31.039 --> 00:24:32.775 we need to keep an eye on on this 00:24:32.799 --> 00:24:34.696 situation over time yeah thank you 00:24:34.720 --> 00:24:36.456 councelor Lynch councelor Dorsey did you 00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:37.976 have a question as you've already spoken 00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:39.655 planning officer did you do you have 00:24:39.679 --> 00:24:41.895 full faith in the traffic assessment 00:24:41.919 --> 00:24:43.336 seeing that it was done on a phone 00:24:43.360 --> 00:24:45.096 councelor Dorsey can I ask you to direct 00:24:45.120 --> 00:24:46.696 your question through me as very 00:24:46.720 --> 00:24:48.135 difficult when he's behind me and I know 00:24:48.159 --> 00:24:49.576 but you're actually still directing it 00:24:49.600 --> 00:24:51.255 through me as the chair and then I'll 00:24:51.279 --> 00:24:53.576 ask um them to respond Mayor could you 00:24:53.600 --> 00:24:55.176 ask the planning officer if he's very 00:24:55.200 --> 00:24:58.200 confident in the way the the traffic 00:24:58.640 --> 00:25:00.376 assessment report was done seeing that 00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:02.056 it was done on a Friday when there isn't 00:25:02.080 --> 00:25:04.056 kinder at school which will increase 00:25:04.080 --> 00:25:05.576 traffic more than what the childcare 00:25:05.600 --> 00:25:08.535 center does on its own 00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:09.976 certainly would you like to respond 00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:12.056 please Troy can I look at him now can 00:25:12.080 --> 00:25:14.216 you just um do your microphone so that 00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:17.240 Troy can come on thank you 00:25:19.279 --> 00:25:22.279 one key thing to consider where the 00:25:22.320 --> 00:25:24.696 planning the planning scheme only allows 00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:26.936 us to consider traffic movements where 00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:29.135 they're utilizing the vehicle 00:25:29.159 --> 00:25:32.159 crossing of the subject site so i.e the 00:25:32.720 --> 00:25:34.816 driveway where the staff are going to 00:25:34.840 --> 00:25:37.840 park the road movements associated under 00:25:38.480 --> 00:25:39.456 the 00:25:39.480 --> 00:25:42.480 relevant traffic and road codes 00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:45.576 aren't considered as part of the TIA 00:25:45.600 --> 00:25:47.976 they can't be considered the only thing 00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:51.000 you can consider it under which isn't 00:25:52.159 --> 00:25:54.216 the the scope of the traffic impact 00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:56.456 assessment is whether the scale and 00:25:56.480 --> 00:25:58.936 intensity of the traffic will result in 00:25:58.960 --> 00:26:01.535 an unreasonable loss of amenity for the 00:26:01.559 --> 00:26:03.936 area now the test of 00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:06.535 unreasonleness is a test of relative to 00:26:06.559 --> 00:26:09.559 what's already there so is what is what 00:26:09.840 --> 00:26:12.840 they're going to create going to be 00:26:13.880 --> 00:26:16.880 unreasonable in a legal sense compared 00:26:17.279 --> 00:26:20.279 to what already exists i.e so from a 00:26:20.720 --> 00:26:22.856 it's not about the vehicles themselves 00:26:22.880 --> 00:26:25.255 it's about how the child care center is 00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:27.856 used so how the how the 00:26:27.880 --> 00:26:30.880 use is is undertaken on that site and 00:26:31.360 --> 00:26:33.655 any then you can consider any traffic 00:26:33.679 --> 00:26:36.056 that may be associated with that it's 00:26:36.080 --> 00:26:39.015 not in a sense an engineering test this 00:26:39.039 --> 00:26:42.039 is where the planning test comes in so 00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:44.456 to answer your question in a in a 00:26:44.480 --> 00:26:46.856 long-winded sense yes I have faith in 00:26:46.880 --> 00:26:49.816 the engineering assessment for the scope 00:26:49.840 --> 00:26:52.135 that it was he was engaged to undertake 00:26:52.159 --> 00:26:55.159 it thank you so much Councelor Grave i 00:26:56.640 --> 00:26:58.696 got a question possibly for the planner 00:26:58.720 --> 00:27:01.576 through you Madame Mayor in regards 00:27:01.600 --> 00:27:04.296 to the tandem parking um what's been a 00:27:04.320 --> 00:27:06.176 concern tonight for for several 00:27:06.200 --> 00:27:07.775 counselors 00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:10.775 the in the in the traffic assessment I 00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:13.799 couldn't work out whether they those 00:27:14.080 --> 00:27:16.376 extra movements because obviously 00:27:16.400 --> 00:27:18.296 there'll be staff at times who park at 00:27:18.320 --> 00:27:19.976 the front who need to get out and then 00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:21.736 everyone's got to move their car to let 00:27:21.760 --> 00:27:24.456 them out and obviously that car 00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:26.736 shuffling creates extra 00:27:26.760 --> 00:27:28.856 movements would all those extra 00:27:28.880 --> 00:27:31.135 movements would they be reversing out 00:27:31.159 --> 00:27:34.159 onto Van Demon's Crescent or is it part 00:27:35.039 --> 00:27:38.039 of the planning part part of the traffic 00:27:38.080 --> 00:27:41.080 management plan that they reverse in 00:27:41.600 --> 00:27:44.600 i'll ask our planner to please respond 00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:46.616 no there's no specific test that would 00:27:46.640 --> 00:27:48.936 require them to reverse in so any any 00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:51.895 traffic shuffling shuffling would be 00:27:51.919 --> 00:27:54.919 considered a traffic movement i'm not 00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:57.816 I actually I can't answer whether the 00:27:57.840 --> 00:28:00.840 Mr mitson has considered that or not 00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:03.015 what I can assume and you should never 00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:05.336 assume anything in plan so we'll very 00:28:05.360 --> 00:28:07.096 much qualify this with an as an 00:28:07.120 --> 00:28:10.120 assumption is that staff will be coming 00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:12.456 and going at different times as to what 00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:15.480 the school traffic is so Mr code and I v 00:28:16.240 --> 00:28:18.775 visited the site today at 400 p.m on 00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:21.799 purpose um to see just outside of peak 00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:25.496 and it would it would very much be 00:28:25.520 --> 00:28:27.655 allowing of vehicle staff vehicle 00:28:27.679 --> 00:28:30.679 movements in that time frame it's as 00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:32.775 council Lynch said it's really that and 00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:35.799 I'm not I'm not making any allowances 00:28:36.080 --> 00:28:37.576 for the the peak movements or anything 00:28:37.600 --> 00:28:39.816 like that but it really is only those 00:28:39.840 --> 00:28:42.775 peak movements that create um a little 00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:45.496 bit of traffic congestion in the in the 00:28:45.520 --> 00:28:47.895 street the rest of the day it it seems 00:28:47.919 --> 00:28:50.919 to be quite fine 00:28:50.960 --> 00:28:52.775 councelor Great yeah thanks for that and 00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:55.336 I separate to the planning matter what's 00:28:55.360 --> 00:28:57.336 in front of us i I think down the track 00:28:57.360 --> 00:29:00.360 council will possibly need to look at 00:29:00.399 --> 00:29:02.056 the end of Van Demon's Crescent and 00:29:02.080 --> 00:29:04.616 possibly um implementing a left turn 00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:07.640 only at certain times of the day um 00:29:07.679 --> 00:29:09.336 because as we all know who've been in 00:29:09.360 --> 00:29:12.056 the area as soon as you get one turn 00:29:12.080 --> 00:29:15.080 one car who wants to turn right um it 00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:18.440 blocks up pretty much West Burnie 00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:20.616 thanks Councelor Grae good point 00:29:20.640 --> 00:29:22.856 Councelor Simpson yes really good point 00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:25.880 Justin thank you Mayor um I too just 00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:28.296 with what Amina was saying just to thank 00:29:28.320 --> 00:29:29.736 the community and especially the 00:29:29.760 --> 00:29:31.176 residents that live on Van Demon's 00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:33.895 Cresant for the um the emails and so 00:29:33.919 --> 00:29:35.416 forth that they've sent us i really 00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:36.696 appreciate that because they're the ones 00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:39.416 that live there obviously um and that 00:29:39.440 --> 00:29:41.255 may be affected so I really appreciate 00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:43.336 that but I I guess when you look at the 00:29:43.360 --> 00:29:45.255 bottom line there is a significant 00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:47.496 shortage of child care facilities and 00:29:47.520 --> 00:29:50.520 services um on the northwest coast and 00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:53.015 that has really been impacting the 00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:54.775 working families it impacts the 00:29:54.799 --> 00:29:56.456 workforce because parents can't go back 00:29:56.480 --> 00:29:59.255 to work living in a um a cost of living 00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:01.336 crisis and you know when you talk about 00:30:01.360 --> 00:30:03.736 social and emotional um development of 00:30:03.760 --> 00:30:06.375 children childcare centers have a big 00:30:06.399 --> 00:30:07.816 part in their in their social 00:30:07.840 --> 00:30:10.616 development um and it does make it 00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:12.135 difficult for parents to go to go to 00:30:12.159 --> 00:30:13.816 work because they can't we simply do not 00:30:13.840 --> 00:30:15.096 have enough childcare centers so you've 00:30:15.120 --> 00:30:17.655 got to look at that side as well um so 00:30:17.679 --> 00:30:19.496 I'm going to be voting for this but I 00:30:19.520 --> 00:30:22.520 also just want to reit that's a big word 00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:26.279 um that we do understand from the people 00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:28.135 from Van Demon's Cresant that the 00:30:28.159 --> 00:30:30.856 stresses that it may cause but I think 00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:32.216 when you look up there I've got friends 00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:33.895 in that street i go there quite often 00:30:33.919 --> 00:30:36.456 and I've been there during school times 00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:37.895 hadn't had a trouble getting in the 00:30:37.919 --> 00:30:39.895 driveway 00:30:39.919 --> 00:30:42.375 so yeah thanks Councelor Simpson are 00:30:42.399 --> 00:30:44.775 there any other speakers to this motion 00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:46.936 i'll put the motion all those in favor 00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:48.736 please raise your right 00:30:48.760 --> 00:30:51.456 hand that is unanimous thank 00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:54.480 you now we have the Tasmanian Planning 00:30:54.720 --> 00:30:57.720 Scheme permit application on page 169 00:30:58.480 --> 00:31:00.336 thank you councelor Boyd if you'd like 00:31:00.360 --> 00:31:03.360 to now you're welcome to leave 00:31:06.399 --> 00:31:09.096 can I have a mover and seconder for this 00:31:09.120 --> 00:31:11.736 thanks councelor Peas seconded councelor 00:31:11.760 --> 00:31:14.760 Grave now before you u begin I'll just 00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:16.856 advise that for this particular 00:31:16.880 --> 00:31:19.255 application we had an independent 00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:21.416 planning assessment Patrick Carroll 00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:24.015 who is here with us this evening from 00:31:24.039 --> 00:31:26.696 ERRA and he is here to answer any 00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:29.255 questions that alongside of council's 00:31:29.279 --> 00:31:32.279 planner that any of you may have so 00:31:32.320 --> 00:31:34.696 over to you councelor Peas oh look just 00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:37.416 a couple of a couple of things to note 00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:40.440 in the huge volume of work that was 00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:43.096 presented to us about 500 pages I think 00:31:43.120 --> 00:31:46.120 on it um and just some interesting facts 00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:48.456 I thought that the the existing Warworth 00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:50.056 supermarket is performing at double the 00:31:50.080 --> 00:31:51.736 national sales average on a product 00:31:51.760 --> 00:31:52.655 committee 00:31:52.679 --> 00:31:55.679 basis so hugely busy and it's estimated 00:31:56.399 --> 00:31:58.535 that 22 and 12% of that customer will 00:31:58.559 --> 00:32:00.856 come to the new store so the existing 00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:02.535 store will still operate and still be 00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:05.559 very busy um the report determines 00:32:05.919 --> 00:32:07.976 Burnie has a population to sustain a 00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:09.135 third major 00:32:09.159 --> 00:32:11.176 supermarket and there's a conservative 00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:14.135 view of a net additional 190 jobs that's 00:32:14.159 --> 00:32:17.096 190 jobs after allowances made for the 00:32:17.120 --> 00:32:19.336 existing Worths and other 00:32:19.360 --> 00:32:21.096 supermarkets in the area that may lose 00:32:21.120 --> 00:32:23.336 some trade 00:32:23.360 --> 00:32:24.856 i of course take all those figures with 00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:26.936 some skepticism given the uncertainty of 00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:29.495 economic forecasting but there's no 00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:31.015 doubt the development on the site will 00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:33.895 provide much needed boost to the city 00:32:33.919 --> 00:32:35.655 and hopefully this is the start of 00:32:35.679 --> 00:32:38.616 significant investment in Burnie the one 00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:40.135 area that I would like to ask our 00:32:40.159 --> 00:32:43.159 planner through you Mayor is around 00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:45.176 there's been a number of concerns raised 00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:46.696 around the proposed reef street 00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:49.495 roundabout can can the planner please 00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:51.655 just speak to that as to how the trucks 00:32:51.679 --> 00:32:53.816 and the like um the confidence that 00:32:53.840 --> 00:32:55.096 they'll be able to navigate that 00:32:55.120 --> 00:32:58.120 situation okay so I might invite Patrick 00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:00.216 if you feel comfortable to speak to that 00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:03.240 thank you so through you may um the 00:33:04.080 --> 00:33:06.135 application as you noted councelor peas 00:33:06.159 --> 00:33:08.375 was um supported by significant 00:33:08.399 --> 00:33:10.135 supporting documentation prepared by the 00:33:10.159 --> 00:33:12.856 applicant including a traffic impact 00:33:12.880 --> 00:33:15.336 assessment and similar to the 00:33:15.360 --> 00:33:16.616 previous application that you just 00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:19.416 determined um this application was also 00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:21.576 assessed by Pit and Cherry as an 00:33:21.600 --> 00:33:24.296 independ independent peer review 00:33:24.320 --> 00:33:27.015 engaged by council as well as having 00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:29.416 council's own technical services staff 00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:32.440 review the application as well and the 00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:35.336 um outcome is that yes all are confident 00:33:35.360 --> 00:33:37.655 that the the roundabout will not impact 00:33:37.679 --> 00:33:39.895 the flow of traffic particularly heavy 00:33:39.919 --> 00:33:42.375 vehicles along R Street there and 00:33:42.399 --> 00:33:45.399 further to that councelor is Patrick can 00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:47.495 I get you to speak a bit closer i I 00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:49.655 can't hear you sorry is that better that 00:33:49.679 --> 00:33:52.679 or way better yes okay so further to 00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:56.519 that is that there is still the um 00:33:56.640 --> 00:33:59.640 ability of councilor's road authority 00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:02.216 issuing their um works in the road 00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:04.616 reservation permit to to finalize any 00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:06.936 and iron out any detail that may need to 00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:09.095 be resolved 00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:11.536 so just further to that so there is the 00:34:11.560 --> 00:34:13.895 opportunity to further look at that 00:34:13.919 --> 00:34:16.919 issue and if necessary make some subtle 00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:19.655 adjustments is that is that what you're 00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:22.679 sort of inferring or I mean yes Troy 00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:26.855 correct me if I'm wrong on that but 00:34:26.879 --> 00:34:28.216 that's my understanding of Burnie's 00:34:28.240 --> 00:34:30.536 internal process is that there's a an 00:34:30.560 --> 00:34:32.936 further level of review prior to issuing 00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:34.855 that consent to undertake works in the 00:34:34.879 --> 00:34:37.095 road reservation okay that's really very 00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:39.736 reassuring thank you 00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:41.575 okay are there any other questions or 00:34:41.599 --> 00:34:44.375 comments for this particular motion 00:34:44.399 --> 00:34:46.216 councelor Simpson yeah I just want to 00:34:46.240 --> 00:34:47.815 say thank you for the big report like it 00:34:47.839 --> 00:34:50.776 was a Yeah it it's so detailed and and 00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:52.216 incredible and I think it's a really big 00:34:52.240 --> 00:34:55.095 asset for Burnie um bringing people into 00:34:55.119 --> 00:34:57.335 the I guess the gateway you could say 00:34:57.359 --> 00:34:58.856 into our city so I think it's really 00:34:58.880 --> 00:34:59.976 going to be something that's very 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:02.376 beneficial to Burnie so and thank you 00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:03.575 just for the work that you've done on 00:35:03.599 --> 00:35:06.296 this thanks Councelor Simpson councelor 00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:09.320 Grae yeah similar question or a followup 00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:12.599 to Councelor P's question regards the 00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:15.416 roundabout which is great to hear that 00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:18.440 we've still got some ability to adapt um 00:35:19.200 --> 00:35:20.856 through the planning assessment was that 00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:23.176 noted that it is a Bible route and not 00:35:23.200 --> 00:35:26.200 just a heavy vehicle route 00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:29.176 yes through May um yes so that that 00:35:29.200 --> 00:35:32.200 was assessed in the um in the the 00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:34.136 traffic impact assessment prepared by 00:35:34.160 --> 00:35:35.896 the applicant or on behalf of the 00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:38.856 applicant um and then also recognized in 00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:41.335 the pit and cherry peer review that it's 00:35:41.359 --> 00:35:44.359 a it's it it is a commercial area and it 00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:47.416 has heavy vehicle movement through it so 00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:50.440 therefore accommodate for that 00:35:51.680 --> 00:35:54.296 yeah my my follow-up question to that it 00:35:54.320 --> 00:35:57.016 would be with the current roundabout 00:35:57.040 --> 00:36:00.040 design um possible with someone with 00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:02.856 more skill than myself obviously but 00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:04.536 you could get a single trailer through 00:36:04.560 --> 00:36:07.016 there but a a B double or having two 00:36:07.040 --> 00:36:10.040 trailers on where it pushes you sort 00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:13.256 of in towards Bunnings and then back out 00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:16.280 yeah there's you know um as the old 00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:20.136 old saying truck stops Australia stops 00:36:20.160 --> 00:36:22.536 so we we don't want them knotted 00:36:22.560 --> 00:36:24.376 up on that roundabout that's that's that 00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:26.536 was the only concern 00:36:26.560 --> 00:36:28.856 consents noted 00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:30.696 okay any other questions or comments for 00:36:30.720 --> 00:36:32.616 this motion 00:36:32.640 --> 00:36:34.296 okay i'm going to put the motion all 00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:35.976 those in favor please raise your right 00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:38.376 hand i'll call that councelor Dorsey 00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:39.896 Councelor Peas Councelor Keygan 00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:42.856 Councelor Lynch Simpson Grave and Aken 00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:45.880 and I will abstain but that motion is 00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:49.335 carried now we have um if somebody can 00:36:49.359 --> 00:36:51.776 please grab councelor 00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:54.800 Boyd we have on page 830 00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:09.400 welcome back Mr boyd 00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:13.616 okay so page 00:37:13.640 --> 00:37:16.640 830 councelor Boyd we have the Council 00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:19.256 Delegations for Land Use Planning and 00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:21.095 Approvals Act can I have a mover and 00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:23.815 second please councelor Keygan thank you 00:37:23.839 --> 00:37:26.839 moving that seconded councelor Peas 00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:27.616 thank 00:37:27.640 --> 00:37:30.640 you any questions or comments 00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:33.575 oh my apologies i didn't realize you um 00:37:33.599 --> 00:37:36.376 had not found your place no problem page 00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:39.400 830 00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:01.400 that old chestnut okay page 830 is there 00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:04.656 any speakers to this 00:38:04.680 --> 00:38:07.335 motion i'll put the motion all those in 00:38:07.359 --> 00:38:09.216 favor please raise your right 00:38:09.240 --> 00:38:12.240 hand thank you that's unanimous now we 00:38:12.720 --> 00:38:15.720 have page 845 the policy review for the 00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:19.496 Burnie Arts exhibition policy thank you 00:38:19.520 --> 00:38:21.176 councelor Lynch moving seconded 00:38:21.200 --> 00:38:23.335 councelor Dorsey are there any questions 00:38:23.359 --> 00:38:24.256 or 00:38:24.280 --> 00:38:27.280 comments i will put the motion all those 00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:30.440 in favor please raise your right hand 00:38:30.560 --> 00:38:31.776 thank you that's 00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:34.296 unanimous policy review receipts of 00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:37.320 gifts benefits and inducements page 851 00:38:38.160 --> 00:38:40.216 thank you Councelor Keygan moving that 00:38:40.240 --> 00:38:42.095 councelor Simpson 00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:45.119 seconding is there any speakers to 00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:48.136 this nope i'll put all I'll put the 00:38:48.160 --> 00:38:49.815 motion all those in Oh yeah you have a 00:38:49.839 --> 00:38:52.839 question councelor Ke please 00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:54.815 i'm 00:38:54.839 --> 00:38:57.736 just No sorry not on this one no lovely 00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:00.136 i'll put the motion all those in favor 00:39:00.160 --> 00:39:02.216 please raise your right hand thank you 00:39:02.240 --> 00:39:04.376 that's unanimous policy review for 00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:07.400 councelor expenses and allowances page 00:39:08.040 --> 00:39:11.040 858 moved by councelor Keygan seconded 00:39:11.680 --> 00:39:14.616 councelor Simpson councelor Keygan yeah 00:39:14.640 --> 00:39:17.640 thank you um 00:39:18.760 --> 00:39:21.760 just wanted 00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:25.920 to ask the general manager please if he 00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:31.920 could once I find the page um just had 00:39:33.280 --> 00:39:36.280 some queries from residents in relation 00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:39.480 to legal expenses for counselors which 00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:41.616 is a new section in this policy 00:39:41.640 --> 00:39:44.640 4.4.3 on page 866 00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:48.055 just wondering if you could speak to how 00:39:48.079 --> 00:39:50.696 that the background of why that's now 00:39:50.720 --> 00:39:53.720 included in our 00:39:53.960 --> 00:39:56.936 policy through May i guess the simplest 00:39:56.960 --> 00:39:59.960 explanation is the late last year early 00:40:00.160 --> 00:40:02.856 this year i can't recall the exact date 00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:05.016 a ruling was handed down in relation to 00:40:05.040 --> 00:40:07.496 the Northern Midlands Council which 00:40:07.520 --> 00:40:10.520 made very clear the position around 00:40:11.040 --> 00:40:14.040 council's funding legal expenses towards 00:40:14.240 --> 00:40:16.376 counselors um in that particular case it 00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:19.400 was a defamation case and um the 00:40:19.520 --> 00:40:21.335 findings are publicly available for 00:40:21.359 --> 00:40:24.359 people to pursue so as a result um the 00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:28.216 local government association clarified 00:40:28.240 --> 00:40:31.240 positions for councils and we believe 00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:33.496 that it's only appropriate that that's 00:40:33.520 --> 00:40:36.216 reflected now in this policy to clarify 00:40:36.240 --> 00:40:38.055 what that current position is so that 00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:40.936 moving forward um everyone knows yeah 00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:43.256 should there be an instance where legal 00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:46.216 support is sought um that the the 00:40:46.240 --> 00:40:49.176 position of council is understood 00:40:49.200 --> 00:40:52.136 great thank you any other questions 00:40:52.160 --> 00:40:54.536 council PS I think this is quite 00:40:54.560 --> 00:40:57.560 relevant for the for rate payers in that 00:40:57.760 --> 00:40:59.496 it it gives clarification that council 00:40:59.520 --> 00:41:01.216 funds will not be spent on legal 00:41:01.240 --> 00:41:03.575 expenses associated with litigation or 00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:04.856 formal proceedings which are 00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:07.416 intrinsically personal in nature eg code 00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:10.335 of conducts and I think it 00:41:10.359 --> 00:41:13.359 also because of this I think there's a 00:41:13.839 --> 00:41:16.055 higher likelihood that mediation will be 00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:18.295 be met when there are instance of 00:41:18.319 --> 00:41:21.319 code of conduct knowing that if there 00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:22.376 are issues 00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:23.575 that the council is actually going to 00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:26.216 foot the legal bill not the rateayers so 00:41:26.240 --> 00:41:28.616 and I think that may actually temper 00:41:28.640 --> 00:41:31.416 people's behaviors and hopefully 00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:33.016 increase the likelihood of mediation 00:41:33.040 --> 00:41:36.040 where issues do occur so there is 00:41:36.319 --> 00:41:39.319 actually a cost to the to the counselor 00:41:39.680 --> 00:41:42.680 now not the rateayer 00:41:43.839 --> 00:41:45.335 yes I'll just invite our general 00:41:45.359 --> 00:41:46.936 manager to add to that thank you 00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:49.960 councelor P and so just to clarify um 00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:53.000 for those listening at home the um so 00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:54.536 the even in the case of a code of 00:41:54.560 --> 00:41:56.456 conduct case council will still incur 00:41:56.480 --> 00:41:59.256 the costs of the of the hearing um so 00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:01.335 there is costs I guess associated 00:42:01.359 --> 00:42:04.359 with the process but no costs 00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:07.480 associated with defense per se or 00:42:07.520 --> 00:42:10.136 prosecution yeah 00:42:10.160 --> 00:42:11.896 right any other questions or comments on 00:42:11.920 --> 00:42:14.920 this policy i'll put the motion all 00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:16.856 those in favor please raise your right 00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:19.295 hand thank you that's 00:42:19.319 --> 00:42:21.256 unanimous you have the appointment of 00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:24.280 the acting general manager on page 00:42:24.839 --> 00:42:27.839 868 thank you councelor Boyd moving that 00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:30.376 and seconded councelor Dorsey I think had 00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:33.400 his hand up any questions or comments 00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:36.295 i'll put He's He's not a bad bloke i 00:42:36.319 --> 00:42:38.616 would agree okay I'll put put the motion 00:42:38.640 --> 00:42:40.055 all those in favor please raise your 00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:43.079 right hand thank you that's unanimous 00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:45.496 the general manager's report in open 00:42:45.520 --> 00:42:47.055 session on page 00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:49.295 871 can I have a 00:42:49.319 --> 00:42:52.319 mover thanks councelor Peas seconded 00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:53.696 councelor 00:42:53.720 --> 00:42:56.416 Simpson there any speak any questions 00:42:56.440 --> 00:42:58.856 comments i'll put the motion all those 00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:01.656 in favor please raise your right hand 00:43:01.680 --> 00:43:02.815 thank you that's 00:43:02.839 --> 00:43:05.839 unanimous communications journal for May 00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:07.376 page 00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:10.095 882 can I have a 00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:13.119 mover councelor Dorsey seconded councelor 00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:16.760 Peas any questions or 00:43:17.240 --> 00:43:19.736 comments i'll put the motion all those 00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:22.760 in favor please raise your right hand 00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:25.736 thank you that's unanimous Burnie City 00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:28.736 Council Youth Council unconfirmed 00:43:28.760 --> 00:43:31.760 minutes moving those council Simpson 00:43:33.319 --> 00:43:35.616 seconding thank you Councelor 00:43:35.640 --> 00:43:37.656 Keygan are there any questions or 00:43:37.680 --> 00:43:39.976 comments councelor Simpson 00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:43.000 i can certainly do a comment um the the 00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:46.856 youth council did some some training 00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:48.295 with the Raise Our Voice Australia it's 00:43:48.319 --> 00:43:50.856 on there but um that was quite 00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:52.376 successful they've got another meeting 00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:54.536 this Thursday but it's going really 00:43:54.560 --> 00:43:56.536 going really well i I really welcome 00:43:56.560 --> 00:43:59.095 David sorry Councelor Pe's idea earlier 00:43:59.119 --> 00:44:00.936 um which hopefully we can look into with 00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:03.095 the painting of the um Collins and 00:44:03.119 --> 00:44:04.456 Councelor Keygan brought up in her 00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:06.136 earlier motion so I'm hoping that's 00:44:06.160 --> 00:44:07.416 something that we can probably bring to 00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:09.896 youth council this week or or you 00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:12.616 know when it's gets moving so thanks for 00:44:12.640 --> 00:44:14.696 that Dave 00:44:14.720 --> 00:44:16.936 great i'll put this motion all those in 00:44:16.960 --> 00:44:19.176 favor please raise your right hand thank 00:44:19.200 --> 00:44:22.136 you that's unanimous now there being no 00:44:22.160 --> 00:44:24.376 non-aggenda items I'd like to declare 00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:26.896 the meeting closed at 00:44:26.920 --> 00:44:29.256 7:46 thank you so much to those in the 00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:32.280 gallery that came to attend