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okay thank you and welcome to the Burnie

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City Council meeting this evening great

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to see a full gallery here

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tonight i'll begin with our

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acknowledgement of country Burnie City

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Council acknowledges that every part of

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Australia is always and always will be

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Aboriginal land Burnie City Council pays

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respect to the Pakana Palawa original

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owners and cultural custodians of all

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the lands and waters across Trouwanna, Lutruwita,

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Tasmania upon which Pataway Burnie is

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situated and where our council

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meets just as a note tonight our open

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session of the meeting will be video

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recorded and

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livestreamed i'd now like to invite Pastor

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Jeff Weston of the Combined Churches of

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Burnie to pray before we begin

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thank you Mayor i invite you to join

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with me in

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prayer Eternal God I ask your blessing

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on the Mayor and these counselors who

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have been elected to lead our

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community i thank you for their

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preparedness to serve our city

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help this council to act with character

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and conviction help them to listen with

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understanding and goodwill to speak with

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charity and restraint and to do so with

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a spirit of humility unity and

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service may they be the leaders that

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your people need help them to see the

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humanity and dignity of those who

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disagree with them and to treat all

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persons with the reverence your creation

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deserves we also thank you for our

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general manager and those who work under

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his direction may they find satisfaction

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in their service to help build our

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community and may all associated with

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the council find joy in their service we

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ask this confident in your goodness and

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your love Amen

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thanks Jeff

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 now we move to councelor's

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declaration of interests are there any

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declarations tonight

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no we have confirmation of minutes of

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the open session of meeting held on the

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25th of March can I have a mover and

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second please councelor Keygan moving

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councelor Dorsey seconding any comments

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i'll put that motion all those in favor

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please raise your right hand thank you

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that's

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unanimous now we move to the public

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question time we have Claire Hall of

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Burnie is Claire in our gallery

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today no i might invite our general

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manager please to read that

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pigeon population numbers are continuing

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to grow within the CBD the birds have

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been an issue for several years and

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although interventions of euthanasia and

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birth control were publicized as being

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implemented in 2021 and 22 there has

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been no continued effort to eradicate

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them property owners and local

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businesses some of which have invested

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large amounts of money to restore

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heritage buildings or improve property

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facads to the benefit of the town are

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incurring additional costs in an effort

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to minimize the impact of the bird

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population on the buildings this

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includes blocking accessible areas to

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reduce perching nesting and breeding

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with further out-ofpocket costs arising

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for the services required to frequently

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clean the significant mess they cause

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the extensive droppings are a public

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health hazard due to infection and

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diseases however this issue is

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ultimately impacting street appeal and

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the presentation of the town council

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efforts to make the town presentable

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through flowers and signage are defeated

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when the streets and buildings are lined

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with bird feces it is well overdue when

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will a permanent solution be decided and

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implement to control reduce and or

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remove the pigeon population

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well thanks Claire if you're watching

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online you're correct that council

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undertook a pigeon control program in

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2122 council noted a summary report

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about the program in March 22 since that

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time no funding has been set aside in

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council's budget to continue the program

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we acknowledge the increase of pigeon

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numbers in recent months and will

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reintroduce the product to interrupt the

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breeding cycle as per the previous

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program more importantly though

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consideration will need to be given to

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ongoing and sustained programs to ensure

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pigeon numbers remain at an acceptable

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level at this discussion um that will

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occur in the setting of the upcoming

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operational

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budget david McClean are you in our

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gallery david if you'd like to ask your

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question thank you

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good evening

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uh could the council please advise the

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current status and current expenditure

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for the following ICT projects that were

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approved in the current annual budget

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cctv computer desktop equipment mobile

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phones router upgrade switches backup

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serve and tape drives anything not

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completed will add to budget surplus

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hopefully resulting in lowering the

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pressure on increasing rates above CPI

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thanks David uh in your initial question

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you'd highlighted u the costs for each

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of those things mentioned uh so in

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reference to that the figures that you

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were going to speak to appear to be

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drawn from the council's four-year asset

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management strategy which outlines the

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planned expenditure for renewal of

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council assets across the 2425 to 2728

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financial years for the 2425 capital

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program specifically the current

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forecast allocations are as follows cctv

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no money allocated computer equipment

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172,000 mobile phones

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25,000 router upgrades

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5,000 switches 20,000 and backup server

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and tape no money at this stage all

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projects are progressing in line with

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these budgeted amounts based on current

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forecasts and there's no anticipated

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underspent or surplus in this financial

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year ashley G of Burnie is Ashley in the

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gallery i'll invite our GM to ask that

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question regarding the

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LGBTIQA plus working group i support the

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motion that a consultation process and

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working group should be established an

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apology or statement or combination of

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working groups is simply not enough what

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plan does the council have to ensure a

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fair and a safe consultation process

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with the community

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so as the matter will be debated later

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in the meeting and a determination made

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whether to proceed with a working group

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or not how the group consults the

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community will be determined as a part

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of the working group terms of reference

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question two if the council upholds its

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stance on inclusivity yet members are

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outwardly non-inclusive what is the

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council doing to ensure its own policies

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and procedures for staff volunteers and

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residents are inclusive

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again the matter will be debated later

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in the meeting and council has measures

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in place to ensure staff and volunteers

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comply with the policies and

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procedures for the following questions i

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might just hand over to our general

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manager thank you mayor uh I'll just

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read a short statement if I may council

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has received four questions from members

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of the public tonight relating to the

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conduct of councelor Trent Aken

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particularly his public use of social

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media these community members have a

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shared view that his social media

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comments include derogatory and

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inflammatory commentary targeting

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LGBTQIA plus persons and Aboriginal

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communities amongst other matters and

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ask what actions will be taken by the

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council to address councelor Aken's

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public

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opinions we recognize this is a serious

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matter that interests many members of

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the community however rather than

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respond to each question individually

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this is a collective response to all

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this will ensure we do not overrun

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council public question time at the

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meeting and not repeat similar

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questions whilst councelor Atken is an

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elected member of the Burnie city

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council his personal social media

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activity and opinions are his own and do

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not reflect the views or values of

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Burnie city council we can assure you

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that our council remains committed to

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inclusivity respect and supporting all

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members of our community

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council has and will continue to work

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with councelor Aken to require that his

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conduct does not adversely reflect on

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the reputation of the council or cause

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harm to any individual council are using

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the limited tools it has available

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specific through the work health and

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safety legislation as the PCBU and the

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council a respectful conduct policy all

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councilors have previously been supplied

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with legal advice and training in

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relation to their obligations to ensure

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the ongoing health and safety of elected

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members employees and any other person

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at a council workplace council have

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informed the Minister for Local

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Government of actions taken to date and

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possible next steps a copy of these

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public questions received and relating

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to this matter will be provided to

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councilors for their awareness and

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included within the minutes of the

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meeting

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thank you our general manager Paula

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Kpatrick seen you in if you'd like to

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ask your questions thank you question

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one to begin

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with so federal states are to fund a

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threestory high new courthouse opposite

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the police station

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so just putting it out there would the

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council consider the

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following current story council can I

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ask you just to speak into the

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microphone i can't hear you i'm sorry

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are you able to just speak into the

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microphone a bit closer i can't thank

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you so much is that better a little bit

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thank you that way is that better yes

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thank you okay do you start again yes

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please okay so federal and state are to

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fund the threetory high new courthouse

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opposite the police station would

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council consider the

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following the current threetory council

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chambers to be converted to the new

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courthouse council relocate to an

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alternative building example share the

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library like Devport does relocate to re

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house or purchase the Jenny Craig tie

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right and build a new council chambers

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with a park leading through to the

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Burnie

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Arts request the federal and the state

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allocate the 86 million to Burnie

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instead for us to build our indoor

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sports stadium the first committee was

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formed in

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2019 further upgrades to the pool with a

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new hydrotherapy pool because the new

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hospital pool has been closed further

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equipment such as an indoor skate ramp

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for our youth anything to give our young

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ones something to do rather than them

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visiting the new three-story 86 million

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courthouse further down the track maybe

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try for a compromise

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thanks Paula we'll take that question on

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notice if you'd like to move to your

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second question

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so the begence building in the

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CBD according to the newspaper article

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the possibility is it will be a chemist

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and medical services which is absolutely

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brilliant because you're bringing it

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back into the CBD you're bringing the

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people back into the

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CBD but the old university at Morville

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Road is to be leased for health purposes

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not all of the building only part of

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it stage two concerns medical services a

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chemist are we doubling up on the same

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services different

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locations stage one is to be a 24-hour

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7-day

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laboratory will this restrict who can

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lease the rest of the remaining empty

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university building

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thanks Paula we'll take a question on

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notice as it is indeed a state building

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it's not council

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owned thank you we'll now move to the

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motion on notice that Deputy Mayor

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Simpson intends to move deputy Mayor

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thank you May i'd like to make an

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amendment now first I will I've just

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asked I do need a second but first I'll

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just invite the deputy mayor to propose

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the motion in in its entirety if that's

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okay councelor Dorsey yeah thank you i

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was just wondering if I could make an

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amendment to the motion it may not be an

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amendment depending on what it is please

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proceed and we'll determine if in fact

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it can be the motion yeah great thank

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you um that council a establish an

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LGBTIQ plus advisory group to provide

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recommendations on for an inclusive

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action plan and b that council receive

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recommendations for the consideration

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and implementation in the

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202627 financial year

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yeah thank you happy to accept that is

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there a second thank you Councelor

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Keygan councelor Simpson if you'd like

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to speak to that thank you thank you

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councelor Keygan as well um and thank

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you Mayor so I understand that people

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come from different cultural religious

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or personal backgrounds and that we may

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not always agree however every person

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deserves to be treated with dignity

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respect and equality regardless of their

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sexual orientation or their gender

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identity the um LGBTIQ plus community

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like anyone else has the right to live

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openly and safely without fear of

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discrimination or inclusion choosing not

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to accept someone for who they are

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contributes to harm and division we

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don't have to share the same views but

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we should all commit to creating a world

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that values compassion human rights for

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all so as a council we have an important

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role in ensuring that everyone in our

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community is safe and supported and that

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they feel like they belong and able to

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participate regardless of their sexual

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orientation or gender as stated um in my

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comments mayor in the motion there are a

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number of com u number of councils

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around Tasmania that are consulting with

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their um local LGBTIQ plus communities

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and developing action plans as such um

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and as stated they include Brighton

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Clarence Glenori Lances and Hobart

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councils and I thank them for the work

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they've done in leading the way as well

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um they've already raising the pride

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flag for pride week and you know

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lighting significant infrastructure uh

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as a result which is wonderful if this

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motion passes uh it'll show that our

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commitment aligns with the values of

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equality diversity and inclusion and I

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would like to ensure that the LGBTIQ

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plus community feels seen that they feel

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valued and they feel heard and to be

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able to celebrate their days of

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significance for them such as Pride Week

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where they can raise a flag or a

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festival um and also I just wanted to

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point out really quickly for the gallery

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to note as well that this motion was

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sent out on March 12th so prior to um

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any social media comments um and also

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just wanted to note that uh on that

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topic that council Aken is more than

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entitled uh to his opinions on that but

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we must uh adhere to the rules as

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counselors and treat people fairly must

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show respect um and you know in

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expressing our personal views publicly

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and our personal conduct must not

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reflect or have the potential to reflect

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adversity on uh the reputation of

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council thank you thank you councelor

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Sim thank you councelor Keygan in

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seconding yeah I'll reserve my right to

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speak thank you okay councelor Dorsey

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um well I'm I'm voting for this so um

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I'll just give you a bit bit of history

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for myself um in 2014 I ran for the

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state legislature and on the basis of

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legalizing gay

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marriage introducing youth in Asia in

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the state and legalizing marijuana i've

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got two out of three um I agree with the

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premise of the motion that everyone

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should feel safe and be treated with

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dignity and respect um I believe we can

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form an advisory group this isn't hard

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and it's it's very very low cost um it's

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a nocost option for the future and

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provides council with a positive action

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for the community and actually I read

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the King Barrel plan i thought it was

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really good um and and

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and we don't need to reinvent the wheel

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we can just tweak theirs i mean it's

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half done you know so you know we always

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start at scratch we don't need to start

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at scratch we can we can start with

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something that's already there and like

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I said I read their plan i thought it

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was great so yeah I'm fully in support

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of this motion and I don't think it's

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going to cost a lot of money as is

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suggested

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thanks Chancellor Dorsey councelor Atkin

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uh Mrs mayor I'd like to move an

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alternative motion

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please you can or foreshadow an

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alternative motion yes certainly can you

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just tell us what you're foreshadowing

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so that we're aware of that uh so just

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the wording of that motion uh the the

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wording uh

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uh the wording of the motion would be um

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cuz I would like an elected poll on this

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i would like the general public to have

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their say uh on this group um so just

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the amendment would

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say subject to the

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approval of Burnie rate pose by way of

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an elector poll

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one that council develop an action plan

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for

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LGBTQA plus inclusion with the

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establishment of an advisory

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group and two that council develop a

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policy that disallows the use of female

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public and council owned bathrooms by

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transgender men

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okay thank you Councelor Aken in

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foreshadowing that we're still on the

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substantive motion so we'll continue to

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debate this but thank you for

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foreshadowing if this does not pass that

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will become the foreshadowed motion we

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would need a seconder okay so did you

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wish to comment to this motion that's on

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the table thank you for that

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foreshadowing did you wish to make any

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comment to this yes yes I will

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um yeah

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uh we live in very testing times at the

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moment a time when many different groups

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are struggling to get the recognition

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they want the motion before us tonight

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mentions being inclusive to a group of

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people in our

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community the Burnie City Council has a

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plan that is inclusive of all groups all

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races and all cultures

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currently the council lights up the

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building and boardwalk for a variety of

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causes including the cause we are asked

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to support

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tonight my biggest concern is if we

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start replacing our national state and

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aboriginal flags with other flags we

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then add an extra level of support

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an extra level being that being

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something that makes it not inclusive of

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the current commitments to all groups we

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have in the

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community the three flags that fly on

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this building hold a lot of importance

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to a lot of people they are flown

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following a specific legal protocol

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if we replace a

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flag whose flag do we replace and what

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sort of division does that then cause in

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the community point of order man um I'm

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I'm at a a miss to discover anything in

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the motion to do with placing a flag

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okay I'll uphold that point of order so

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councelor Aken I might just have ask you

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to have a look through your notes and

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just skip to the point that's relevant

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to the motion the because it's not

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discussing use or the motion mention

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flag raising for Pride Week

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right okay okay yep so I can continue

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yeah continue yep

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okay uh Okay if we replace a flag whose

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flag do we replace and what sort of

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division does that then cause in the

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community i believe we need to be fair

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and just to all groups in the

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community but the motion before us asks

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us to take another step and to put one

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group of people above another i cannot

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support that as we should all be equal

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thank you councelor Aken are there any

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other speakers to this motion councelor

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Lynch uh I was just going to say

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reflective of the um general manager's

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comments regarding resourcing

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um as well that I know I've spoken to

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several counselors here that would be

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more than happy to take on the

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organizing of this group so that there

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was no uh resource expenditure

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staff-wise for that um I know that the

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conversations have been had with a

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variety of um groups around the

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Northwest Coast uh and the the

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willingness eagerness to um to adopt a

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policy and come together to sort

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something out in this space um is large

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we'll also notice that there is no um

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expected expenditure on this and if

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there is going to be it'll be considered

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in the 2627 budget um so just addressing

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that uh that notion that council won't

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be out of pocket for this

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um which I along with councelor Dorsey

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suggest well uh you know I guess that

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that's something we have to pay

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attention to but

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um I'll definitely be supporting the

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motion thanks councelor Lynch are there

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any other speakers to this motion

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councelor Peas uh just

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briefly the only concern I ever had with

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the original motion I think this amenda

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motion is even better was the fact that

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there might have been some issues

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internally with council but uh we

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received an email um from a member of

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the community who showed just how easy

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it is to establish these things and so

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that eased my mind on that one little

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issue that was perhaps you know wasn't

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going to change my view on it but it

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certainly eased it the other thing I

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would say just in response to councelor

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Aken is this notion of equality and

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really I think this motion actually

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speaks to that because there isn't

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equality there at the moment and that's

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why it's important that we do set up

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this group

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councelor Keygan in reserving your right

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do you wish to speak now before I u

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defer to councelor Simpson to close uh

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if there's no other speakers but I'll

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speak Grave or Boyd no please councelor

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Kee yeah thank you um I'll just start my

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um response tonight or my contribution

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tonight with a response to some of the

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points that

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councelor Aken um just made um you you

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start out by acknowledging what I think

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very many people in our community

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particularly those in our gallery

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tonight are living through which are

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incredibly testing

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times times that are made

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unnecessarily more difficult and more

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challenging by the comments that you

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continue to make

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publicly to reduce this motion or the

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intention behind this motion and the

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aims of an inclusion plan and an

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advisory group

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to

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replacing the Australian flag flying

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outside council chambers is an

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incredibly reductive

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exercise i it it strikes

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me as an odd position to take um being

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concerned about potential division that

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could be caused by a

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flag when

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we have the behavior that has

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been on display recently

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in saying that I speak tonight in strong

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support of the amended motion for

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council to establish an advisory group

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and for that advisory group to provide

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recommendations for consideration and

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implementation in the 2627 financial

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year so I want to acknowledge that

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officers did recommend that we reaffirm

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our general commitment to inclusivity

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but that I believe that reaffirmation

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alone is no longer enough particularly

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when we have those on our council who

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specifically go out of their way to

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target and vilify the very groups we are

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seeking to reaffirm our commitment to

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inclusivity to we cannot have it both

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ways our community deserves meaningful

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practical action proactive responses for

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inclusion which does not necessarily

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mean that there are proactive policies

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that seek to exclude this

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group research shows that Tasmanians

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Tasmania's LGBTQI plus community

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experience disproportionate rates of

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discrimination mental health challenges

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and

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exclusion according to the 2023 writing

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themselves in four report by LRO

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University 81% of LGBTQI plus young

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people in Tasmania reported experiencing

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verbal abuse and 31% experienced

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physical abuse in the previous 12

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months one in three young LGBTQI

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Tasmanians avoided public places for

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fear of discrimination so whilst council

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policies may not be actively excluding

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people they are self-excluding because

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of the fear associated with accessing

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public areas a general commitment to

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inclusivity without a clear plan risks

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leaving these re realities unressed and

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an action plan that is co-designed with

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community and service providers will

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give us the framework to listen identify

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barriers and implement solutions that

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are tailored for our community

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thank you Councelor

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Keygan deputy Mayor would you like to

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sum thank you mayor and thank you

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councilors as well um yeah I guess just

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to in closing I think we we've said

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everything we need to but uh just to

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clarify there's no mention of changing

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any flags the flag mentioned in the

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motion was purely um an example of what

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can be done for Pride Week so that

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there's no there's no notion of changing

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any flags so let's just get that um

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correct the other thing I want to say um

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council akin you spoke about the uh not

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being you know I guess about seeing

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everyone as equal but I I struggle to

649
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see how you you can say that when you

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don't find the LGBTIQ plus community

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equal um as well as immigrants or

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whatever it may be so um but I do want

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to acknowledge the members of the LGBTIQ

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plus community that sit here in the

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chamber i I thank you so much for having

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the courage to come out and support this

657
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motion um and I know it's difficult i

658
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know it's been difficult for them so um

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I want to thank them for that and anyone

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that's watching tonight um and my aim is

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literally from this motion is that we

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can get together and be able to for

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these people who are humans just like us

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to be able to hold their head up high as

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they walk down the main street of Burnie

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that's all I'm asking so thank you

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thanks Deputy Mayor all right i'll put

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this motion before you all those in

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favor please raise your right hand thank

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you i'll call that councelor Dorsey

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Councelor Peas Councelor Keygan

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Councelor Lynch Councelor Simpson

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Councelor Grave Councelor Boyd and

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myself those against Councelor Aken that

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motion is

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carried are there any questions on

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notice oh sorry my apologies uh it's

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actually a question on notice um Trent

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councelor Aken has two questions

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there council I need a mover and a

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second please councelor Aken thank you

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Councelor Dorsey cancer

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Aken take it away uh sorry

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uh question one was has the council ever

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received complaints or had concerns

686
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raised with them about transgender women

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being in women's change rooms or toilets

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the council own and question two is has

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council ever received complaints or had

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concerns raised by transgender women

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about their experiences in councilowned

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women's change rooms or toilets

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so the information is there to be noted

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are there any more comments i'll put the

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motion all those in favor please raise

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your right hand sorry Councelor Keven

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yeah I'll speak to

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Nobody had their microphone on councelor

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Keygan yeah thank you um I will vote for

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these uh questions to be noted and the

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responses um be noted but I will take

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the opportunity

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um to state at the outset that this uh

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latest obsession uh with transgender

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people has become quite concerning for

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many in our community the social media

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comments that have been made coupled

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with comments in the media are doing

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nothing to further the reputation of

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Burnie as a welcoming and inclusive city

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which I remind all councilors is one of

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our strategic objectives as a council

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one that we all agreed upon around this

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table including you councelor Aken i

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would suggest that through these

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questions such as these from someone who

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is meant to be a leader in our community

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and representative of all in our

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community are actively contributing to

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feelings of exclusion these questions

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seek to pit the rights of cisgendered

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women against transgendered women and

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although there are claims that these

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come from being concerned with women's

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safety these questions are thinly veiled

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point of order Mrs man is is there any

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chance that we could get an explanation

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on what

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cisgendered something and what a

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transgendered woman is so I can

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understand what the response is given

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that counselor a sure that used the term

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transgender women I would hope that he

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would understand what he means by that

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i'm not sure i don't know what sis

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something or whatever the word was the

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council used

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something I don't know well I'm sorry

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councelor a canen that will be a matter

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for you to look into I I can't give

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clarification of that it's not a point

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of order I'm sorry please continue

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councelor Keygan thank you although

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there are claims that these questions

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and these issues are to be concerned

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with women's safety these questions are

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thin ly veiled attempts to vilify and

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incite fear of an already incredibly

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vulnerable and small proportion of our

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community the responses that have been

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received in relation to these questions

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indicate that this quote unquote problem

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that you are trying to create a social

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and moral panic about is not actually a

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problem suggesting that trans women are

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inherently predators or a threat to

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women and children is both false and

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dangerous there is no credible evidence

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that allowing trans people to use

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bathrooms that align with their gender

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identity increases safety risks what is

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well documented however is that trans

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people especially trans women face

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significantly higher rates of violence

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discrimination and harassment including

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in public spaces

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now that this has been demonstrated to

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not be an issue in Burnie given your

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newfound passion to advocate for women's

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safety may I suggest you turn your

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attentions to the violence that women in

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Burnie experience as a result of family

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and domestic abuse given that Burnie has

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the highest instance of family and

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domestic violence in the entire state

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thank you councelor Keygan councelor

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Dossi can I ask councilors if you wish

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to speak please do pop your microphone

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on that's very helpful for me

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yeah just a couple brief statements um

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from what I read the transgender

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population I don't know how you want to

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say it it's about 50/50 so are we

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worried about

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transgender men in men's change rooms

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yeah I got I got myself tongue tied in

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this one but um I go back

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into I'm an old man now and and I accept

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that but um I remember going to concerts

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in Dallas and women lining up to go into

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men's change room and men's toilets

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because it was a women's lib movement

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um and and really all this fear about

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transgender women it's it's I think it's

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misguided and in

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that women have made leaps and bounds

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and really you know they're worried

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about them in sport and they're worried

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about this but I think we're more

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worried that they will be on an equal

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footing to men in probably 20 years i

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mean if you look at cricket you look at

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you look at football you look at all of

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these things women's soccer is is way up

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here so we're worried

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about I I read a stat the other day of

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500,000 college athletes in the US less

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than 10 are transgender but we're

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worried about them um there's 1.3

810
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million servicemen in the US Army

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service people 3,000 are transgender and

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they're trying to get them kicked out

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um really it it's the history of mankind

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to pick

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on the minority and and really there's

816
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such a minority that we're we're

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spending so much time on this just we

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have we're on this planet for a very

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short period of time be who you want to

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be dress how you want to dress so yeah I

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think I actually I agree with councelor

822
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Keygan this is this is

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um I don't know what the operative word

824
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would be i don't want to see use

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discriminatory it's

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um it's not good i'll just leave it at

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that thanks Councelor Dorsey councelor

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Simpson thank you Mayor um yeah I mean

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Oh I don't know um it's I I just hope um

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Trent that you can you know I think

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maybe it could be a good idea and for

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any counselor I guess that wants to

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perhaps talk to a transgender person and

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maybe ask them how they feel being

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trapped in a body that they didn't want

836
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when they were born um and talk to them

837
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about how that feels and how going into

838
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a a men's change room how that makes

839
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them feel or women's change room

840
35:50.160 --> 35:52.376
whatever it may be when they don't

841
35:52.400 --> 35:54.536
identify as such it's a really really

842
35:54.560 --> 35:56.376
challenging now obviously I'm not

843
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transgender i can't speak for them but

844
35:58.640 --> 36:00.296
I've worked for many years with

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transgender young people in my time with

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education department

847
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and this the hurt and pain that this

848
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causes

849
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them is unescribable and I really hope

850
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that you would perhaps maybe sit down

851
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with someone we've got Rodney Kroom in

852
36:17.280 --> 36:19.095
the house tonight he might be someone

853
36:19.119 --> 36:21.176
that you might be able to talk to seek

854
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advice um and just maybe think before

855
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you take action with your words

856
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are there any other speakers to this

857
36:31.480 --> 36:33.976
motion councelor Aim would you like to

858
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close

859
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i can put it to the vote

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all those youing

861
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it's just for noting it's just for

862
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noting so I'll put this motion all those

863
36:50.320 --> 36:52.536
in favor for noting please raise your

864
36:52.560 --> 36:54.376
right hand

865
36:54.400 --> 36:56.856
thank you that's unanimous

866
36:56.880 --> 36:59.496
now we have questions without notice are

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36:59.520 --> 37:01.176
there any questions from around the

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table councelor Keygan thank you could

869
37:03.920 --> 37:05.736
the GM and the mayor provide a rough

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37:05.760 --> 37:07.575
approximation of how many complaints

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37:07.599 --> 37:09.095
they have received in relation to

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councelor Aken's public comments on

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LGBTQI plus people

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i'll invite the general manager to

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respond on our behalf

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37:20.480 --> 37:22.136
through May look I I don't have the

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exact number in front of me Councelor

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Keygan but I've been here since December

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and I would have thought between the two

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of us I would have seen probably in

881
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excess of 100 complaints I would have

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thought we've received and responded to

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that's complaints in general not

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necessarily specific to LGBTQ um

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complaints typically thank you any other

886
37:43.760 --> 37:46.760
questions or notice councelor Aken

887
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of the hundred odd complaints the

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council's received what's the council's

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37:56.000 --> 37:59.000
procedure for a complaint that comes

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into council regarding any matter that a

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member of the public may have

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i'll invite the general manager to

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respond

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three me there are complaints and there

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are complaints they come in different

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forms and um level of detail required in

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in these particular cases that I'm

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referring to the majority would either

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be a letter or an email the majority um

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I guess would be emails that are

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directed to myself uh or the mayor uh

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and generally the simple response is

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that we would reply to those particular

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people um using a very similar uh

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response um within uh the accepted

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period of time you know 1 to 2 days um

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nothing more um I guess complicated than

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that um councelor Aken I will respond on

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my part i respond to every single

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individual message or email sent to me i

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pour considerable time into the many

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emails I get on a very regular basis i

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try and individualize my response to

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every element of um our residents

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letters to ensure that they understand

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that I've taken on board uh what it is

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they're saying but uh inevitably I'm

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always pointing out that we are

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incredibly restricted as a council in

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terms of our legislative ability to

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restrict restrain um impose any

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sanctions uh in actual

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fact the result in most of these emails

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is an encouragement for them if they

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feel so inclined to lodge a code of

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conduct that is in actual fact the best

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method uh for any of our residents to

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take up their frustration with the local

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government

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office any other

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questions okay we will now move into the

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section of our meeting where we sit as a

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planning authority under the provisions

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of the land use planning and approvals

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act 1993

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we have a planning matter uh AO5

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uh

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A05225 the planning scheme there for

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Morville Road Park can I have a mover

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and second please councelor Keygan

941
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moving seconded councelor Simpson are

942
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there any

943
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comments i'll ask first the mover and

944
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second any comments

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deputy mayor yep thank you yep yep um

946
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thank you Mayor uh this is going to be a

947
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fantastic transformation so I just want

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to uh say a big thank you uh to Jack

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Derome and the and the team uh for what

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they've been doing and the work that has

951
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been put into this um it's just uh it's

952
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pretty incredible and I think it's going

953
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to be an incredible thing for Burnie and

954
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it's a lucky thing with both parties

955
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coming to the um to the party with it so

956
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I think it's something that's needed for

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Burnie and and thank you to the planning

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um people put all this together it's

959
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fantastic and look I think reading

960
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through it it's it's it's a bit of a

961
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no-brainer um to approve but and I hope

962
41:01.040 --> 41:03.095
everyone comes on board with it because

963
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it's something that Burnie uh needs

964
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incredibly so yeah thanks thanks Deputy

965
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Mayor councelor Dorsey you indicated you

966
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wish to speak yeah I did actually um

967
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this is interesting some of the

968
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arguments against the coward house being

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relocated to this site concern traffic

970
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public transport and loss of amenity in

971
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the area the courthouse would have

972
41:22.880 --> 41:25.880
created considerably less traffic i'm

973
41:26.480 --> 41:28.055
I'm going to vote for it because the

974
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planning authority you know we we talk

975
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about how we have free choice here but

976
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if the if our planning department

977
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approves it virtually we have to if we

978
41:38.000 --> 41:41.000
don't we go to court it will we'll lose

979
41:41.680 --> 41:44.376
um and you can always appeal it but you

980
41:44.400 --> 41:45.656
would lose and it would cost you a lot

981
41:45.680 --> 41:47.736
of money but but there was fear as to

982
41:47.760 --> 41:48.936
the type of people that would attend the

983
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courthouse all types of people attend

984
41:50.720 --> 41:53.496
courouses as do emergency patients you

985
41:53.520 --> 41:55.335
know how do we distinguish who goes to a

986
41:55.359 --> 41:57.656
courthouse and not um there was an

987
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objection at one point in time to new

988
41:59.119 --> 42:00.376
housing in the area because of the

989
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amount of traffic that would it would

990
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cause and the school's inability to take

991
42:03.599 --> 42:05.736
them um there's an imposition of

992
42:05.760 --> 42:07.575
nighttime etiquette now I don't even

993
42:07.599 --> 42:09.016
know if that's legal because they say

994
42:09.040 --> 42:12.040
you've got to um prior to commitments of

995
42:12.160 --> 42:13.976
the use a nighttime etiquette procedure

996
42:14.000 --> 42:16.776
must be implemented um that imposed

997
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speed limits not exceeding 30 km an hour

998
42:19.599 --> 42:21.095
if it's a public street can you do that

999
42:21.119 --> 42:23.656
i don't know um use of low beam

1000
42:23.680 --> 42:25.976
headlights um will the police be able to

1001
42:26.000 --> 42:29.000
distinguish who's doing what

1002
42:29.440 --> 42:31.416
um and and yeah I don't know if you can

1003
42:31.440 --> 42:33.016
you can circumvent the law by making

1004
42:33.040 --> 42:35.736
your own rules but no horn use engine to

1005
42:35.760 --> 42:38.456
be turned off prohibited prohibit

1006
42:38.480 --> 42:40.536
prohibit i'm going to say can't slam

1007
42:40.560 --> 42:42.416
your

1008
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doors are there decibel checks you know

1009
42:44.960 --> 42:47.896
I mean I I'll relate a story with my son

1010
42:47.920 --> 42:50.295
one time he was he was booked for going

1011
42:50.319 --> 42:51.976
around a corner and making excessive

1012
42:52.000 --> 42:54.136
noise and and I fought it just saying

1013
42:54.160 --> 42:55.976
"How many decibb was it?" And how do you

1014
42:56.000 --> 42:59.000
define excessive noise um it got off um

1015
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and nighttime noise carries a lot

1016
43:02.960 --> 43:04.696
further you know because there's there's

1017
43:04.720 --> 43:07.720
no diffusion um the 24 hours of

1018
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operation uh professional offices will

1019
43:11.119 --> 43:13.055
house up to more than 100 vehicles per

1020
43:13.079 --> 43:15.815
day this is a major impulse to the local

1021
43:15.839 --> 43:18.055
neighborhood and and really I what I

1022
43:18.079 --> 43:19.896
what I find fascinating on being on

1023
43:19.920 --> 43:21.416
council we didn't like the courthouse

1024
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being there because there were going to

1025
43:23.119 --> 43:25.815
people up there that may be undesirable

1026
43:25.839 --> 43:27.536
but an emergency

1027
43:27.560 --> 43:30.560
service gets everyone who's desirable

1028
43:30.640 --> 43:32.936
who's not anyone that hurts needs help

1029
43:32.960 --> 43:35.095
um so I mean I'm voting for it because

1030
43:35.119 --> 43:37.335
we can't not vote for it we can not vote

1031
43:37.359 --> 43:38.376
for it but I don't have good enough

1032
43:38.400 --> 43:40.815
reason to um but like I said there have

1033
43:40.839 --> 43:43.575
been votes against housing being built

1034
43:43.599 --> 43:45.095
in the area because of the traffic it

1035
43:45.119 --> 43:47.295
would cause and because of the

1036
43:47.319 --> 43:49.736
um the imposter on the school but now

1037
43:49.760 --> 43:51.176
we're going to put an emergency service

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43:51.200 --> 43:53.256
up there which will create as much

1039
43:53.280 --> 43:55.896
traffic and havoc as anywhere um but

1040
43:55.920 --> 43:57.496
yeah I'm in favor actually it's a good

1041
43:57.520 --> 43:58.815
use of the building it's just

1042
43:58.839 --> 44:01.839
interesting thank you thank you

1043
44:01.920 --> 44:04.920
Councelor Aken then councelor Grave

1044
44:05.520 --> 44:08.520
thank you oh sorry whoa

1045
44:11.359 --> 44:13.616
thank you Mrs mayor

1046
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um this is fantastic i actually think

1047
44:16.480 --> 44:19.016
this is absolutely fantastic uh if

1048
44:19.040 --> 44:20.776
you're ever going to get sick get sick

1049
44:20.800 --> 44:23.800
in Burnie moving into the future um our

1050
44:25.040 --> 44:27.776
population is getting older it's getting

1051
44:27.800 --> 44:30.216
sicker i don't know if you've ever tried

1052
44:30.240 --> 44:32.616
to go to the actual Burnie Hospital when

1053
44:32.640 --> 44:35.640
you're sick you can't get a park within

1054
44:35.680 --> 44:38.680
KO of the place um so you don't want to

1055
44:39.040 --> 44:41.176
be sick in a big hurry because you got

1056
44:41.200 --> 44:43.136
to wait for a park

1057
44:43.160 --> 44:46.160
um as councelor Dorsey pointed out uh the

1058
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building was earmarked for a

1059
44:49.720 --> 44:52.376
courthouse uh you know which would have

1060
44:52.400 --> 44:55.400
give the building more use moving

1061
44:55.520 --> 44:58.216
forward um as we all know that's never

1062
44:58.240 --> 44:59.896
going to happen courthouse is going down

1063
44:59.920 --> 45:02.696
the road that's a done deal we're left

1064
45:02.720 --> 45:04.295
with a beautiful building up on top of

1065
45:04.319 --> 45:07.319
the hill and it looks like a great group

1066
45:08.000 --> 45:10.376
of uh people from Burnie that want to

1067
45:10.400 --> 45:13.400
make the community healthier and um look

1068
45:13.680 --> 45:15.016
after the community have found

1069
45:15.040 --> 45:17.656
themselves a fantastic place up there to

1070
45:17.680 --> 45:20.680
set up camp and um I I wish him all the

1071
45:20.960 --> 45:23.960
best of luck thanks thanks Councelor Ak

1072
45:24.079 --> 45:26.456
and Chancellor Grave

1073
45:26.480 --> 45:29.256
uh yeah great um great proposal for the

1074
45:29.280 --> 45:32.280
city and uh anytime we can get more

1075
45:32.319 --> 45:35.176
health care for Burnie residents that's

1076
45:35.200 --> 45:38.136
that's what we want i had some questions

1077
45:38.160 --> 45:41.160
similar to councelor Dorsey um around the

1078
45:41.359 --> 45:43.736
repres representation what was made and

1079
45:43.760 --> 45:46.760
also uh the conditions too uh some of

1080
45:48.000 --> 45:51.000
which councelor Dorsey mentioned that uh

1081
45:52.160 --> 45:55.095
reduction of volume in car audio level

1082
45:55.119 --> 45:57.416
um so it's only heard inside the vehicle

1083
45:57.440 --> 45:59.416
things like this uh condition two

1084
45:59.440 --> 46:02.376
through you madame mayor who polices

1085
46:02.400 --> 46:04.936
these um and and who keeps an eye on it

1086
46:04.960 --> 46:07.896
is that the residents uh come back to

1087
46:07.920 --> 46:10.616
council and make complaints or do we

1088
46:10.640 --> 46:12.856
keep an uh you know our ear to the

1089
46:12.880 --> 46:15.256
ground on who's using their car stereo

1090
46:15.280 --> 46:16.776
or

1091
46:16.800 --> 46:19.656
I'll invite our our director of

1092
46:19.680 --> 46:21.976
operations to make comment is it or our

1093
46:22.000 --> 46:25.000
planning team thank you Troy thank you

1094
46:25.440 --> 46:28.440
councilors if I can just clarify some

1095
46:28.640 --> 46:30.536
comments made by other counselors before

1096
46:30.560 --> 46:33.016
I answer the question

1097
46:33.040 --> 46:34.776
the matter that we are assessing tonight

1098
46:34.800 --> 46:37.216
is for the pathology laboratory

1099
46:37.240 --> 46:40.240
only i just going to make that clear

1100
46:40.400 --> 46:42.856
because I don't want any accusation that

1101
46:42.880 --> 46:45.656
you're assessing the wrong thing

1102
46:45.680 --> 46:48.616
so to answer the other question in

1103
46:48.640 --> 46:51.016
regards to condition two it's a

1104
46:51.040 --> 46:53.095
procedure required by the operator of

1105
46:53.119 --> 46:55.256
that facility it's will be an internal

1106
46:55.280 --> 46:56.936
procedure

1107
46:56.960 --> 46:58.696
uh the reason it's on the planning

1108
46:58.720 --> 47:00.936
permit is because it makes it enforcable

1109
47:00.960 --> 47:03.295
for council should we receive

1110
47:03.319 --> 47:06.136
complaints if there are complaints we

1111
47:06.160 --> 47:08.856
don't look to circumvent the law as what

1112
47:08.880 --> 47:11.880
councelor Dorsey indicated nor could we

1113
47:12.240 --> 47:14.536
on a private road that's associated with

1114
47:14.560 --> 47:17.560
the university currently

1115
47:18.119 --> 47:21.119
the the intent of that condition is

1116
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to

1117
47:24.119 --> 47:25.776
inform

1118
47:25.800 --> 47:28.616
operators current and future that there

1119
47:28.640 --> 47:30.295
are nearby residents and there are

1120
47:30.319 --> 47:31.496
suitable standards that should be

1121
47:31.520 --> 47:34.095
followed in my opinion it's common

1122
47:34.119 --> 47:36.776
sense but common sense and legality

1123
47:36.800 --> 47:39.536
rarely mixes and so we've got to tie it

1124
47:39.560 --> 47:41.976
up does that answer your question

1125
47:42.000 --> 47:44.696
Councelor Grave

1126
47:44.720 --> 47:46.456
yeah I'm happy with that thanks

1127
47:46.480 --> 47:47.656
Councelor Gra did you have any other

1128
47:47.680 --> 47:50.216
comment councelor Grave no that's all

1129
47:50.240 --> 47:51.976
thank you i have a follow question yes

1130
47:52.000 --> 47:55.000
councelor Dorsey just

1131
47:55.440 --> 47:56.856
this on the private road so when they

1132
47:56.880 --> 47:57.976
turn into there but if they're going

1133
47:58.000 --> 47:59.176
down Morville Road and they're doing

1134
47:59.200 --> 48:00.776
greater than 30 km an hour and they have

1135
48:00.800 --> 48:02.456
the stereo on full board council Dorsey

1136
48:02.480 --> 48:05.256
just slow down i'm having trouble i'm

1137
48:05.280 --> 48:06.936
just He said well it's a common sense

1138
48:06.960 --> 48:08.376
approach and so forth but so they can

1139
48:08.400 --> 48:10.656
drive down Morville Road where there's

1140
48:10.680 --> 48:12.936
people and as soon as they turn onto the

1141
48:12.960 --> 48:14.055
private road they have to roll up the

1142
48:14.079 --> 48:16.055
road into the microphones so we can hear

1143
48:16.079 --> 48:17.575
cancel the door well I'm trying to

1144
48:17.599 --> 48:18.936
direct it to him but he's behind but

1145
48:18.960 --> 48:20.616
he'll hear you when you speak through

1146
48:20.640 --> 48:23.640
the microphone oh okay so can someone go

1147
48:24.160 --> 48:25.815
up Morville Road with their high beams

1148
48:25.839 --> 48:28.376
on with the music loud at 50 km an hour

1149
48:28.400 --> 48:30.055
60 km an hour and then turn onto the

1150
48:30.079 --> 48:32.136
private road roll down their window and

1151
48:32.160 --> 48:35.160
be within the spirit of it

1152
48:35.839 --> 48:37.976
did you catch all of that Troy yes sure

1153
48:38.000 --> 48:39.656
that's the question is yes that's what

1154
48:39.680 --> 48:41.416
has to occur the that's what the

1155
48:41.440 --> 48:43.896
recommendation requires if if supported

1156
48:43.920 --> 48:46.920
by council thank you Council Lynch i

1157
48:48.480 --> 48:50.216
just going to point out Oh I always have

1158
48:50.240 --> 48:52.376
to turn the music down when I'm trying

1159
48:52.400 --> 48:53.815
to find out where it is exactly where

1160
48:53.839 --> 48:55.815
I'm going councelor Dorsey so I imagine

1161
48:55.839 --> 48:58.839
people will be doing the same thing

1162
49:00.079 --> 49:01.055
councelor

1163
49:01.079 --> 49:03.095
Aken did you have a question because

1164
49:03.119 --> 49:05.815
you've already spoken at this point you

1165
49:05.839 --> 49:08.839
can only ask a question

1166
49:09.000 --> 49:12.000
uh yeah i was just that a question for

1167
49:12.240 --> 49:14.176
councelor Dorsey

1168
49:14.200 --> 49:17.200
um if you're going to the hospital with

1169
49:17.359 --> 49:19.896
your gall stone or whatever you've got

1170
49:19.920 --> 49:21.896
going on do you think you're going to be

1171
49:21.920 --> 49:23.656
pumping the M&M as you go in the

1172
49:23.680 --> 49:26.456
driveway and upset the uh okay let's

1173
49:26.480 --> 49:29.095
let's move on councelor Keygan oh yes

1174
49:29.119 --> 49:31.896
just sorry if everyone's finished yes

1175
49:31.920 --> 49:34.920
their contributions i'll sum up um I was

1176
49:36.079 --> 49:39.079
going to as has been indicated point out

1177
49:39.599 --> 49:42.599
that this is not a DA for the entirety

1178
49:43.240 --> 49:46.240
of the proposed health hub up there um I

1179
49:48.480 --> 49:50.976
do also want to acknowledge the

1180
49:51.000 --> 49:54.000
representation that was made and I think

1181
49:54.680 --> 49:57.680
importantly what this discussion has

1182
49:57.839 --> 50:00.656
demonstrated is

1183
50:00.680 --> 50:03.680
that having that level of detail is very

1184
50:04.000 --> 50:06.136
important as long as we don't get stuck

1185
50:06.160 --> 50:09.160
in that level of of detail um or get

1186
50:09.760 --> 50:12.760
stuck in the weeds so these um

1187
50:14.040 --> 50:17.016
internal uh processes that are required

1188
50:17.040 --> 50:20.040
by the pathology lab itself will always

1189
50:21.440 --> 50:24.440
um occur hopefully but are as I

1190
50:25.880 --> 50:28.880
understand specifically to allay some of

1191
50:30.000 --> 50:33.000
the discomfort that residents may have

1192
50:34.480 --> 50:37.480
around the nighttime use however as was

1193
50:37.599 --> 50:40.599
pointed out in the response by the

1194
50:40.640 --> 50:42.976
applicant to the

1195
50:43.000 --> 50:45.496
submission this will these internal

1196
50:45.520 --> 50:48.520
processes will only apply to two people

1197
50:49.119 --> 50:52.055
at a time overnight while they're

1198
50:52.079 --> 50:55.079
working their shifts so I I do feel like

1199
50:56.079 --> 50:59.079
perhaps this is a workable solution

1200
51:01.040 --> 51:04.040
um that does not necessarily require

1201
51:05.720 --> 51:08.496
um any

1202
51:08.520 --> 51:11.520
panic thank you Councelor Keygan i'll

1203
51:12.079 --> 51:13.736
now put this motion to the vote all

1204
51:13.760 --> 51:15.416
those in favor please raise your right

1205
51:15.440 --> 51:17.696
hand thank you that's

1206
51:17.720 --> 51:19.976
unanimous now we have the playground

1207
51:20.000 --> 51:22.456
strategy on page 69 we have a

1208
51:22.480 --> 51:24.456
recommendation thank you councelor Aen

1209
51:24.480 --> 51:27.480
moving and seconding councelor Grave any

1210
51:27.599 --> 51:30.575
questions or comments on

1211
51:30.599 --> 51:33.016
this i'll just check with our mover and

1212
51:33.040 --> 51:34.976
seconder did you wish to

1213
51:35.000 --> 51:38.000
speak sure please councelor Aken

1214
51:39.359 --> 51:42.359
um yeah fantastic to see

1215
51:44.520 --> 51:47.520
some fantastic to see some very exciting

1216
51:47.839 --> 51:50.535
plans for Burnie in the playground

1217
51:50.559 --> 51:53.559
department

1218
51:53.880 --> 51:56.856
uh fantastic to see some commitments

1219
51:56.880 --> 51:59.736
from uh our local representatives in the

1220
51:59.760 --> 52:02.616
upcoming election to help pay for some

1221
52:02.640 --> 52:05.640
of these ideas that we have uh I

1222
52:06.319 --> 52:08.456
understand a lot of work has gone into

1223
52:08.480 --> 52:11.176
these plans um through the council a lot

1224
52:11.200 --> 52:12.896
of community

1225
52:12.920 --> 52:15.920
consultation and a lot of consultation

1226
52:16.240 --> 52:18.936
with sporting clubs like i.e the Burnie

1227
52:18.960 --> 52:21.656
Surf Club and things like that so I

1228
52:21.680 --> 52:23.335
think what's put in front of us for

1229
52:23.359 --> 52:25.176
everyone to see is a pretty well

1230
52:25.200 --> 52:27.616
thoughtout plan

1231
52:27.640 --> 52:30.376
uh I think it's a good way for Burnie to

1232
52:30.400 --> 52:32.776
move forward and it's actually good to

1233
52:32.800 --> 52:34.616
have some good playgrounds moving

1234
52:34.640 --> 52:37.176
forward to focus on thank you councelor

1235
52:37.200 --> 52:40.200
Aken councelor Grave in seconding

1236
52:40.480 --> 52:42.216
yeah the playground strategy it's a

1237
52:42.240 --> 52:44.776
great document i think uh the residents

1238
52:44.800 --> 52:47.575
of Burnie anyone with uh kids or

1239
52:47.599 --> 52:50.599
grandkids they'll be um it's an exciting

1240
52:50.640 --> 52:52.216
read um you know the different

1241
52:52.240 --> 52:54.216
playgrounds marine nature the adventure

1242
52:54.240 --> 52:57.176
the rural one up the back so um yeah a

1243
52:57.200 --> 52:58.856
lot of thoughts been put into it and I I

1244
52:58.880 --> 53:00.376
think it'll be a great document for us

1245
53:00.400 --> 53:03.256
going forward so um very supportive of

1246
53:03.280 --> 53:05.815
the playground strategy and uh I think

1247
53:05.839 --> 53:07.496
it's time Burnie jazzed up their

1248
53:07.520 --> 53:09.656
playgrounds and and local residents have

1249
53:09.680 --> 53:12.376
been calling it for it for some time so

1250
53:12.400 --> 53:15.400
uh great to get some money from uh uh

1251
53:15.440 --> 53:18.440
our our state friends so hopefully uh

1252
53:18.559 --> 53:20.616
before we all vote on the weekend they

1253
53:20.640 --> 53:22.776
might pull out some more money and uh we

1254
53:22.800 --> 53:24.295
can make the playgrounds bigger and

1255
53:24.319 --> 53:27.319
better here to that Councelor Dorsey um

1256
53:28.720 --> 53:30.456
yeah no I think this is great i'm I'm

1257
53:30.480 --> 53:32.335
ecstatic

1258
53:32.359 --> 53:34.856
um Burnie's been very lucky with regards

1259
53:34.880 --> 53:36.616
to playgrounds and because our neighbors

1260
53:36.640 --> 53:38.376
have invested seriously in them i mean

1261
53:38.400 --> 53:40.856
Wyard Warto Alverston they've got great

1262
53:40.880 --> 53:42.376
playgrounds so we've been very lucky

1263
53:42.400 --> 53:43.976
because we can go over and use theirs

1264
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now remember I if you go back when you

1265
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were a counselor Mayor Brumy you ran on

1266
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the platform of a great playground and

1267
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stopping the university and one of the

1268
53:53.760 --> 53:55.575
reasons for a great playground was you

1269
53:55.599 --> 53:57.575
know you traveled around the country and

1270
53:57.599 --> 53:58.936
you always stopped there with your kids

1271
53:58.960 --> 54:00.616
and you thought people with caravans and

1272
54:00.640 --> 54:02.936
so forth the problem with that now is

1273
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your kids have grown up and we've waited

1274
54:04.880 --> 54:06.936
that long our kids have grown up and and

1275
54:06.960 --> 54:08.616
we're talking about this now my

1276
54:08.640 --> 54:11.055
grandkids won't see it and that's my

1277
54:11.079 --> 54:13.976
worry that really we take so long we did

1278
54:14.000 --> 54:16.456
this 10 years ago we we had community

1279
54:16.480 --> 54:18.295
meetings we did all of this stuff we

1280
54:18.319 --> 54:20.216
went around town we looked at it and I

1281
54:20.240 --> 54:21.496
remember the head of our playground

1282
54:21.520 --> 54:23.016
committee at that time I believe it was

1283
54:23.040 --> 54:25.016
councelor French they decided on they

1284
54:25.040 --> 54:28.040
put in a swing set i give up um

1285
54:31.839 --> 54:33.896
um I've been in disagreement with

1286
54:33.920 --> 54:35.575
counselors over a long period of time

1287
54:35.599 --> 54:37.335
with this playground strategy i think

1288
54:37.359 --> 54:38.856
this is great and it's really glad that

1289
54:38.880 --> 54:41.335
we've got it my theory was you pick one

1290
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fix it and then you move to the next one

1291
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and fix it now we've been waiting for a

1292
54:45.680 --> 54:47.016
playground strategy so that we could

1293
54:47.040 --> 54:49.575
look at it in holistic view but we still

1294
54:49.599 --> 54:50.936
haven't done anything we now have a

1295
54:50.960 --> 54:52.936
holistic view but we still haven't done

1296
54:52.960 --> 54:55.960
a thing we haven't turned a shovel

1297
54:56.040 --> 54:59.040
um so and if you read what the general

1298
54:59.599 --> 55:02.376
manager said it's $9 million to fix you

1299
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know it's going to cost $9 million to

1300
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put this full strategy into place

1301
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um so therefore my strategy will have to

1302
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be used pick one and fix it um I'm very

1303
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pleased that this is being tabled

1304
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because we now move forward and I know

1305
55:17.280 --> 55:18.776
councelor peas will have a statement on

1306
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this because he's he's right into this

1307
55:21.040 --> 55:22.616
holistic view that we have to do

1308
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everything and we have to look at the

1309
55:24.240 --> 55:26.295
whole thing but basically we have to

1310
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pick one and start and right now we have

1311
55:28.079 --> 55:30.535
picked one the shore well one which has

1312
55:30.559 --> 55:32.616
um state funding or well federal funding

1313
55:32.640 --> 55:34.696
promises of it so at least we will start

1314
55:34.720 --> 55:37.656
with that one so no I'm I'm ecstatic i

1315
55:37.680 --> 55:39.335
don't know if I could be happier well I

1316
55:39.359 --> 55:42.295
think I could but this is a start thanks

1317
55:42.319 --> 55:44.696
Chancellor Dorsey councelor Keygan yeah

1318
55:44.720 --> 55:46.776
thank you i just want to make a couple

1319
55:46.800 --> 55:49.800
of comments in relation to this strategy

1320
55:50.160 --> 55:53.160
and for anybody who may take the time to

1321
55:55.359 --> 55:57.095
read through it and and have a look at

1322
55:57.119 --> 56:00.119
it these are concept designs only i just

1323
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want to be clear about that this is not

1324
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um exactly what playgrounds will look

1325
56:07.599 --> 56:10.599
like or be situated in the exact areas

1326
56:12.480 --> 56:15.480
um as some of the maps uh delineate in

1327
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in this strategy

1328
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i do want to speak briefly about the

1329
56:22.559 --> 56:25.559
great advocacy work that the view road

1330
56:27.359 --> 56:30.359
reserve working group has undertaken in

1331
56:30.799 --> 56:33.295
relation to this

1332
56:33.319 --> 56:36.319
um strategy and looking

1333
56:36.359 --> 56:39.359
at things holistically

1334
56:39.599 --> 56:42.599
um this strategy so councelor I um was

1335
56:43.680 --> 56:46.055
chair of that group and councelor

1336
56:46.079 --> 56:48.936
Simpson served on that group with me and

1337
56:48.960 --> 56:51.496
we received this playground strategy

1338
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some time ago when we were looking at

1339
56:54.400 --> 56:57.400
the View Road Reserve master plan and

1340
56:57.440 --> 56:59.656
what it was that we wanted to do with

1341
56:59.680 --> 57:02.680
that area and how we could best

1342
57:03.680 --> 57:06.680
um leverage off what was already there

1343
57:07.200 --> 57:09.656
what could go there where we needed

1344
57:09.680 --> 57:12.295
development in our city and our CBD and

1345
57:12.319 --> 57:15.319
our neighborhoods and it was really

1346
57:15.960 --> 57:18.960
the advocacy of that group and working

1347
57:21.040 --> 57:24.040
very closely with the um budget team

1348
57:25.839 --> 57:28.376
brad's here somewhere um with the budget

1349
57:28.400 --> 57:31.176
team to ensure that we were able to get

1350
57:31.200 --> 57:34.200
that playground into the budget um so

1351
57:35.280 --> 57:38.216
that is how uh that has come about it is

1352
57:38.240 --> 57:40.936
excellent that we have now received

1353
57:40.960 --> 57:43.936
federal funding um for that that

1354
57:43.960 --> 57:46.856
playground um but it would be remiss to

1355
57:46.880 --> 57:49.880
not mention the really um excellent and

1356
57:50.640 --> 57:52.136
cohesive

1357
57:52.160 --> 57:54.616
um and comprehensive work that the View

1358
57:54.640 --> 57:57.095
Road Reserve working group undertook to

1359
57:57.119 --> 58:00.119
ensure um that things were looked at in

1360
58:00.960 --> 58:03.960
in a holistic um and strategic way

1361
58:06.640 --> 58:09.640
thanks Councelor Keygan councelor Peas

1362
58:09.680 --> 58:11.736
um I too agree with councelor Dosy it is

1363
58:11.760 --> 58:13.416
frustrating that these things take so

1364
58:13.440 --> 58:15.496
long but that's the sad reality of the

1365
58:15.520 --> 58:18.295
environment that we we work in the

1366
58:18.319 --> 58:20.376
playgrounds we have exist from a

1367
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different time in a sense in that it was

1368
58:23.119 --> 58:25.656
at a time when maybe one car between a

1369
58:25.680 --> 58:27.656
family existed so you needed something

1370
58:27.680 --> 58:29.656
nearby where you lived so hence why we

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have 12 or 15 tiny playgrounds around

1372
58:32.480 --> 58:34.616
Burnie but until we took an overall view

1373
58:34.640 --> 58:36.696
and looked and said where can we situate

1374
58:36.720 --> 58:39.720
these so that are accessible for all and

1375
58:39.760 --> 58:42.216
how do we set these up we're really sort

1376
58:42.240 --> 58:44.775
of going blind at it effectively so we

1377
58:44.799 --> 58:46.775
have put a strategy together and we've

1378
58:46.799 --> 58:48.295
received some money for the first one so

1379
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we can start on the first and hopefully

1380
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once we show that we can achieve that

1381
58:52.000 --> 58:53.896
and accomplish that the funds will be

1382
58:53.920 --> 58:55.736
forthcoming for others when they when we

1383
58:55.760 --> 58:58.496
show the worth of it and

1384
58:58.520 --> 59:01.520
so we are in that situation where we are

1385
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modernizing in a sense and other cities

1386
59:04.480 --> 59:06.295
and other areas have done already so we

1387
59:06.319 --> 59:09.319
are behind the eightball but that's for

1388
59:09.359 --> 59:11.095
a variety of reasons and we can look

1389
59:11.119 --> 59:13.896
back and we can judge ourselves and we

1390
59:13.920 --> 59:15.416
can say we should have done better and

1391
59:15.440 --> 59:17.256
yeah but now we're actually moving

1392
59:17.280 --> 59:19.176
forward we have a strategy we're moving

1393
59:19.200 --> 59:21.176
ahead with it let's get everyone on

1394
59:21.200 --> 59:23.176
board and be positive about it this is

1395
59:23.200 --> 59:26.200
great thanks councelor Peas councelor

1396
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Lynch

1397
59:28.880 --> 59:31.815
uh no i just was going to just quickly

1398
59:31.839 --> 59:34.535
hop on and say um you know while it

1399
59:34.559 --> 59:36.295
looks like there's not much happening

1400
59:36.319 --> 59:37.815
it's it's not fair to say we haven't

1401
59:37.839 --> 59:39.815
done anything in this space for the

1402
59:39.839 --> 59:41.575
period of time we have tinkered around

1403
59:41.599 --> 59:43.736
the edges and cleaned up some things and

1404
59:43.760 --> 59:45.656
replaced old bits of stuff i do find it

1405
59:45.680 --> 59:47.335
it's an interesting argument because

1406
59:47.359 --> 59:49.016
your your average four-year-old wouldn't

1407
59:49.040 --> 59:51.575
tell you that we're building playgrounds

1408
59:51.599 --> 59:54.136
for parents really to to say "Oh look

1409
59:54.160 --> 59:55.656
how good this playground is." your

1410
59:55.680 --> 59:57.575
average two or three or four year old is

1411
00:59:57.599 --> 01:00:00.456
happy with whatever is there so which

1412
01:00:00.480 --> 01:00:03.480
which is fine um but I would uh yeah

1413
01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:05.656
look it's great that we're we're moving

1414
01:00:05.680 --> 01:00:07.896
ahead with um the the one up at the park

1415
01:00:07.920 --> 01:00:10.920
at Jaw it'll be pretty fantastic um and

1416
01:00:12.599 --> 01:00:14.856
yeah councelor Peace as you've said

1417
01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:16.696
there's a a strategy in place now we can

1418
01:00:16.720 --> 01:00:18.616
point at it and and we're not wasting

1419
01:00:18.640 --> 01:00:20.616
any money that's the other thing i I

1420
01:00:20.640 --> 01:00:22.216
agree we haven't spent a lot of money

1421
01:00:22.240 --> 01:00:24.136
but we haven't wasted any either you

1422
01:00:24.160 --> 01:00:26.456
know by by taking this pro uh this

1423
01:00:26.480 --> 01:00:28.616
process so and just to your other point

1424
01:00:28.640 --> 01:00:31.016
about how we did all that consultation

1425
01:00:31.040 --> 01:00:32.456
before and we ended up with a couple of

1426
01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:34.295
slides in the in the swings if you

1427
01:00:34.319 --> 01:00:36.216
remember that's what the consultation

1428
01:00:36.240 --> 01:00:39.176
said that we wanted so um yes it's a

1429
01:00:39.200 --> 01:00:42.136
checkered road to get to a happy place

1430
01:00:42.160 --> 01:00:45.055
but we're on the way thanks Councelor

1431
01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:47.815
Lynch i'll make a quick comment

1432
01:00:47.839 --> 01:00:50.335
certainly I'll be endorsing this

1433
01:00:50.359 --> 01:00:53.095
particular playground strategy and yes

1434
01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:55.656
councelor Dorsey one of the platforms I

1435
01:00:55.680 --> 01:00:57.656
stood on in the hope back when I had

1436
01:00:57.680 --> 01:01:00.680
four little people under 6 years of age

1437
01:01:00.720 --> 01:01:02.216
uh was the deepest hope that we would

1438
01:01:02.240 --> 01:01:05.240
see a killer playground huge in our city

1439
01:01:05.359 --> 01:01:07.416
now back then the general manager Mr

1440
01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:10.440
streton of Wyard Warar took that idea

1441
01:01:10.640 --> 01:01:12.136
took it up to Lawn System when he became

1442
01:01:12.160 --> 01:01:14.376
the GM up there and made a beautiful big

1443
01:01:14.400 --> 01:01:17.400
playground there to my jealousy however

1444
01:01:17.839 --> 01:01:20.216
the uh general manager of Wyard War

1445
01:01:20.240 --> 01:01:22.136
built some fabulous playgrounds over

1446
01:01:22.160 --> 01:01:24.055
there so now we've taken that general

1447
01:01:24.079 --> 01:01:26.055
manager to help us build some decent

1448
01:01:26.079 --> 01:01:29.079
playgrounds here so absolutely be

1449
01:01:29.440 --> 01:01:31.016
endorsing this and look forward to what

1450
01:01:31.040 --> 01:01:33.176
the future holds once we eventually get

1451
01:01:33.200 --> 01:01:35.815
there uh now is there any other speakers

1452
01:01:35.839 --> 01:01:37.295
cancer

1453
01:01:37.319 --> 01:01:40.319
can be wrapping up yes

1454
01:01:42.079 --> 01:01:44.416
yeah so in summing up

1455
01:01:44.440 --> 01:01:46.856
um kind of want to follow off from what

1456
01:01:46.880 --> 01:01:49.880
councelor Lynch has said there too um

1457
01:01:51.119 --> 01:01:53.416
this council has spent issues a

1458
01:01:53.440 --> 01:01:55.055
significant amount

1459
01:01:55.079 --> 01:01:58.079
of time money and resources especially

1460
01:01:59.119 --> 01:02:02.016
in the last 12 months upgrading its

1461
01:02:02.040 --> 01:02:04.376
playgrounds uh if you're not aware of

1462
01:02:04.400 --> 01:02:06.616
the conditions of the playgrounds then I

1463
01:02:06.640 --> 01:02:09.640
suggest that you go for a drive uh Water

1464
01:02:10.640 --> 01:02:13.416
Avenue playgrounds had a birthday as I

1465
01:02:13.440 --> 01:02:15.575
call it have a birthday this have an

1466
01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:18.295
upgrade so off the top of my head

1467
01:02:18.319 --> 01:02:20.696
sitting here Water Avenue's had a

1468
01:02:20.720 --> 01:02:22.896
birthday

1469
01:02:22.920 --> 01:02:24.496
recently

1470
01:02:24.520 --> 01:02:27.520
uh Act Park at the Actton school ground

1471
01:02:28.319 --> 01:02:29.936
next to the

1472
01:02:29.960 --> 01:02:32.295
softball arena or whatever you want to

1473
01:02:32.319 --> 01:02:35.319
call it has had a birthday the ship and

1474
01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:39.016
whatnot has been put the Jorgensson

1475
01:02:39.040 --> 01:02:42.040
Street ship the Spirit of Tasmania 5's

1476
01:02:42.280 --> 01:02:45.256
been docked at Jorgensson Street which

1477
01:02:45.280 --> 01:02:48.216
has cost us his uses money money money

1478
01:02:48.240 --> 01:02:50.616
and uh I seen something the other day on

1479
01:02:50.640 --> 01:02:52.616
social media the Burnie Parks had a new

1480
01:02:52.640 --> 01:02:54.976
birthday and had some new equipment so

1481
01:02:55.000 --> 01:02:58.000
um you know I I think that we actually

1482
01:02:59.280 --> 01:03:01.256
kids in Burnie actually spend a lot of

1483
01:03:01.280 --> 01:03:03.976
time on iPads at home not necessarily at

1484
01:03:04.000 --> 01:03:07.000
the park but uh hats off to our works

1485
01:03:07.599 --> 01:03:10.599
and services crew that has gone out and

1486
01:03:10.640 --> 01:03:13.575
actually done a really really good job

1487
01:03:13.599 --> 01:03:15.896
uh and the Roma duck pond has had work

1488
01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:18.376
done to it too um have done a really

1489
01:03:18.400 --> 01:03:21.400
really good job in um maintaining and

1490
01:03:22.079 --> 01:03:24.295
upgrading our parks with the very little

1491
01:03:24.319 --> 01:03:27.319
resources that we actually give them so

1492
01:03:27.359 --> 01:03:29.815
um hats off to these guys thanks

1493
01:03:29.839 --> 01:03:31.736
Councelor Aken all right we'll put the

1494
01:03:31.760 --> 01:03:33.815
motion all those in favor please raise

1495
01:03:33.839 --> 01:03:36.416
your right hand thank you that's

1496
01:03:36.440 --> 01:03:38.456
unanimous now we have the Gateway

1497
01:03:38.480 --> 01:03:41.176
Project pedestrian access do I have a

1498
01:03:41.200 --> 01:03:42.856
mover for this thank you Councelor Lynch

1499
01:03:42.880 --> 01:03:44.856
seconded Councelor Dorsey councelor

1500
01:03:44.880 --> 01:03:47.176
Lynch would you like to speak to this um

1501
01:03:47.200 --> 01:03:50.200
no I just observe the comments and um I

1502
01:03:50.640 --> 01:03:52.376
believe this is a reasonable good

1503
01:03:52.400 --> 01:03:54.295
position we've ended up on i just would

1504
01:03:54.319 --> 01:03:56.456
also make the note though that um

1505
01:03:56.480 --> 01:03:59.095
financially this has been a pretty well

1506
01:03:59.119 --> 01:04:02.119
responsibly run project um with no major

1507
01:04:02.559 --> 01:04:04.376
cost overruns at all in fact I believe

1508
01:04:04.400 --> 01:04:07.335
there is a it's coming in under budget

1509
01:04:07.359 --> 01:04:09.176
um but for the reasons that you've

1510
01:04:09.200 --> 01:04:11.496
outlined I think at the moment this is a

1511
01:04:11.520 --> 01:04:13.496
good position to take so thanks

1512
01:04:13.520 --> 01:04:15.176
Councelor Lynch councelor Dorsa did you

1513
01:04:15.200 --> 01:04:17.416
wish to have a second uh speak no no

1514
01:04:17.440 --> 01:04:19.015
I'll speak to that real quick actually

1515
01:04:19.039 --> 01:04:21.896
um I echo those sentiments altogether i

1516
01:04:21.920 --> 01:04:23.696
think it's a great

1517
01:04:23.720 --> 01:04:26.376
um a great result and actually it's a

1518
01:04:26.400 --> 01:04:28.696
common sense result um I don't know what

1519
01:04:28.720 --> 01:04:30.136
the general manager if you're willing to

1520
01:04:30.160 --> 01:04:31.736
share what it was supposed to cost or

1521
01:04:31.760 --> 01:04:34.295
what it would cost to put the crosswalk

1522
01:04:34.319 --> 01:04:37.319
in

1523
01:04:39.760 --> 01:04:42.216
yeah uh so through your mayor um because

1524
01:04:42.240 --> 01:04:43.736
we haven't finished the detailed design

1525
01:04:43.760 --> 01:04:45.015
at this point there's still some more

1526
01:04:45.039 --> 01:04:47.496
site works to do but um looking at the

1527
01:04:47.520 --> 01:04:49.176
the scope of works within that which

1528
01:04:49.200 --> 01:04:50.856
includes the crossing to the gateway the

1529
01:04:50.880 --> 01:04:52.216
crossing on the southern side of the

1530
01:04:52.240 --> 01:04:54.216
highway and the and the eastbound one as

1531
01:04:54.240 --> 01:04:56.936
well um the predictions are between

1532
01:04:56.960 --> 01:04:59.256
around I would say around the 100 mark

1533
01:04:59.280 --> 01:05:01.015
to complete all the civil works and all

1534
01:05:01.039 --> 01:05:02.696
the predestion crossings the traffic

1535
01:05:02.720 --> 01:05:04.295
changes that need to occur with that but

1536
01:05:04.319 --> 01:05:06.376
that would be again the entire scope of

1537
01:05:06.400 --> 01:05:08.055
works and and procedure works need to

1538
01:05:08.079 --> 01:05:09.656
happen for that to occur and the other

1539
01:05:09.680 --> 01:05:12.376
worry that I had about it was if it was

1540
01:05:12.400 --> 01:05:14.535
open would you have to put a childproof

1541
01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:16.775
fence around it um because you know

1542
01:05:16.799 --> 01:05:18.136
parents would take their children over

1543
01:05:18.160 --> 01:05:21.160
there and it's a very busy highway so

1544
01:05:21.200 --> 01:05:23.335
you know it gets I think for safety

1545
01:05:23.359 --> 01:05:25.015
reasons it's the best decision but that

1546
01:05:25.039 --> 01:05:26.696
was that was another consideration that

1547
01:05:26.720 --> 01:05:28.696
I thought of would you have to make it

1548
01:05:28.720 --> 01:05:30.376
well not childproof isn't the operative

1549
01:05:30.400 --> 01:05:32.856
word but yep so again through your may

1550
01:05:32.880 --> 01:05:34.696
so that was given consideration as part

1551
01:05:34.720 --> 01:05:37.575
of the design um so there are setbacks

1552
01:05:37.599 --> 01:05:39.976
within that um within the area for the

1553
01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:41.496
gateway so you'll notice the garden beds

1554
01:05:41.520 --> 01:05:43.656
and all the raised garden beds actually

1555
01:05:43.680 --> 01:05:45.575
um are the the full scope of the area

1556
01:05:45.599 --> 01:05:47.176
that we could work within while

1557
01:05:47.200 --> 01:05:48.616
maintaining the separation from the

1558
01:05:48.640 --> 01:05:51.015
highway area so from that perspective it

1559
01:05:51.039 --> 01:05:52.856
has been designed in a safe pedestrian

1560
01:05:52.880 --> 01:05:54.616
access point if we choose to do it at a

1561
01:05:54.640 --> 01:05:55.976
later date

1562
01:05:56.000 --> 01:05:59.000
so the last question is if we are

1563
01:05:59.400 --> 01:06:02.216
$86,000 surplus what happens to that

1564
01:06:02.240 --> 01:06:04.456
money

1565
01:06:04.480 --> 01:06:06.936
through your mayor that will be returned

1566
01:06:06.960 --> 01:06:09.176
goes back to stay is there nothing we

1567
01:06:09.200 --> 01:06:11.055
could use it on

1568
01:06:11.079 --> 01:06:13.976
of uh through your M no we have explored

1569
01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:15.416
other options that can contribute to the

1570
01:06:15.440 --> 01:06:17.416
gateway but uh no at this point it needs

1571
01:06:17.440 --> 01:06:18.616
to be wrapped up by the end of the

1572
01:06:18.640 --> 01:06:19.976
financial year as well okay great thank

1573
01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:22.936
you Councelor Kagan

1574
01:06:22.960 --> 01:06:25.095
yes thank you um I just wanted to

1575
01:06:25.119 --> 01:06:28.119
clarify that the uh potential pedestrian

1576
01:06:29.200 --> 01:06:32.200
crossing was out of scope for this

1577
01:06:32.720 --> 01:06:35.720
gateway project wasn't it get the

1578
01:06:35.760 --> 01:06:37.656
general manager to respond to that do

1579
01:06:37.680 --> 01:06:39.656
you need me to repeat the question sorry

1580
01:06:39.680 --> 01:06:42.680
we were just You were confirring um I

1581
01:06:42.960 --> 01:06:45.960
just wanted to clarify that the um

1582
01:06:47.000 --> 01:06:50.000
potential pedestrian crossing to the the

1583
01:06:50.880 --> 01:06:53.880
gateway was um out of scope of the

1584
01:06:54.359 --> 01:06:57.359
original project so we've

1585
01:06:57.400 --> 01:07:00.216
not said as part of the project that we

1586
01:07:00.240 --> 01:07:01.815
would deliver it now we are walking it

1587
01:07:01.839 --> 01:07:04.775
back it was originally and always out of

1588
01:07:04.799 --> 01:07:07.256
scope of the delivery of the project yep

1589
01:07:07.280 --> 01:07:09.976
yep so through you may um Yes that is

1590
01:07:10.000 --> 01:07:12.856
correct um it it was originally out of

1591
01:07:12.880 --> 01:07:14.456
scope but when we found that the project

1592
01:07:14.480 --> 01:07:16.456
did have residual funding um we thought

1593
01:07:16.480 --> 01:07:18.456
we'd be able to achieve the works but

1594
01:07:18.480 --> 01:07:19.976
again with it coming back that's not

1595
01:07:20.000 --> 01:07:22.616
possible

1596
01:07:22.640 --> 01:07:24.095
okay councelor

1597
01:07:24.119 --> 01:07:27.015
Grave I just had a quick question in

1598
01:07:27.039 --> 01:07:30.039
regards to the uh the beautiful yellow

1599
01:07:30.960 --> 01:07:33.960
artwork um the lighting at the bottom of

1600
01:07:34.880 --> 01:07:35.856
it and

1601
01:07:35.880 --> 01:07:38.696
um I'm not too sure who can answer this

1602
01:07:38.720 --> 01:07:40.656
but the lights seem to lack a bit of

1603
01:07:40.680 --> 01:07:43.680
gusto i was wondering if the $86,000 we

1604
01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:45.896
got left could a portion of that be used

1605
01:07:45.920 --> 01:07:48.696
to uh get a little bit more oomph in the

1606
01:07:48.720 --> 01:07:51.176
lights to uh show off the the great

1607
01:07:51.200 --> 01:07:53.976
artwork

1608
01:07:54.000 --> 01:07:56.376
through May um so there was some

1609
01:07:56.400 --> 01:07:57.815
questions raised around that with the

1610
01:07:57.839 --> 01:07:59.896
residual funding um the issue is the

1611
01:07:59.920 --> 01:08:02.696
dark sky principle um that any any

1612
01:08:02.720 --> 01:08:04.775
brighter than that shining upwards would

1613
01:08:04.799 --> 01:08:06.535
actually um contradict some of those

1614
01:08:06.559 --> 01:08:08.295
policies so there's no way for us to

1615
01:08:08.319 --> 01:08:09.656
increase that without having other

1616
01:08:09.680 --> 01:08:11.815
impacts

1617
01:08:11.839 --> 01:08:13.736
just a follow-up question on that would

1618
01:08:13.760 --> 01:08:15.976
we be able to run lights downwards from

1619
01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:18.215
the top of the yellow sticks to uh keep

1620
01:08:18.239 --> 01:08:21.239
the the skies nice and dark

1621
01:08:21.679 --> 01:08:23.976
through you may not within the cost of

1622
01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:26.536
the residual amount within this project

1623
01:08:26.560 --> 01:08:29.016
yep and just from a from a grant closure

1624
01:08:29.040 --> 01:08:31.735
perspective um we wouldn't have time to

1625
01:08:31.759 --> 01:08:33.896
do that and and um formalize the

1626
01:08:33.920 --> 01:08:35.655
administration perspective of the grant

1627
01:08:35.679 --> 01:08:38.456
before June 30 could you run extension

1628
01:08:38.480 --> 01:08:41.480
court councelor Aken

1629
01:08:44.159 --> 01:08:45.695
yes thank you

1630
01:08:45.719 --> 01:08:48.719
um this has been a very controversial

1631
01:08:49.199 --> 01:08:52.199
little project the uh cheese sticks or

1632
01:08:52.560 --> 01:08:54.376
the French fries or whatever you'd like

1633
01:08:54.400 --> 01:08:57.400
to call them um look if Burnie can learn

1634
01:08:58.480 --> 01:09:01.255
anything from these sorts of projects is

1635
01:09:01.279 --> 01:09:03.456
next time let Devonport go

1636
01:09:03.480 --> 01:09:06.376
first because if Devonport had built the

1637
01:09:06.400 --> 01:09:09.400
big spark plug first before we went and

1638
01:09:09.759 --> 01:09:11.976
stuck the chips in that the chips

1639
01:09:12.000 --> 01:09:13.815
actually look fantastic compared to the

1640
01:09:13.839 --> 01:09:16.175
spark plug there wouldn't have been any

1641
01:09:16.199 --> 01:09:18.775
controversy so maybe we sit back and let

1642
01:09:18.799 --> 01:09:21.799
Devport go first and let them cop it all

1643
01:09:22.600 --> 01:09:24.976
um in saying

1644
01:09:25.000 --> 01:09:27.815
that I I was never a supporter of a

1645
01:09:27.839 --> 01:09:30.839
pedestrian access over to the chips it

1646
01:09:30.880 --> 01:09:32.936
was never a good idea to put any more

1647
01:09:32.960 --> 01:09:34.695
people in the middle of the highway that

1648
01:09:34.719 --> 01:09:37.135
ever needed to be in the middle of the

1649
01:09:37.159 --> 01:09:40.159
highway um the highway is very

1650
01:09:40.199 --> 01:09:42.616
busy and we don't need pedestrians

1651
01:09:42.640 --> 01:09:45.536
walking across it in saying

1652
01:09:45.560 --> 01:09:48.560
that the chips or cheesesticks or

1653
01:09:50.560 --> 01:09:53.416
whatever you would like yep councelor A

1654
01:09:53.440 --> 01:09:54.856
councelor Keagan what's your point of

1655
01:09:54.880 --> 01:09:57.880
order um I just would ask that perhaps

1656
01:09:58.480 --> 01:10:01.480
councelor Aken refer to the artwork as a

1657
01:10:01.760 --> 01:10:04.456
gateway project okay um just out of

1658
01:10:04.480 --> 01:10:07.480
respect to the artist okay thank you in

1659
01:10:07.520 --> 01:10:09.096
respect to the artist let's just coin

1660
01:10:09.120 --> 01:10:12.120
them the gateway i mean no disrespect to

1661
01:10:13.280 --> 01:10:16.280
the artist i'm a very very big fan of

1662
01:10:17.679 --> 01:10:20.056
the Gateway project a very big fan of

1663
01:10:20.080 --> 01:10:23.080
the Gateway project um look we don't

1664
01:10:23.679 --> 01:10:26.215
have much to light up in the place and

1665
01:10:26.239 --> 01:10:28.296
we don't have uh you know too many rays

1666
01:10:28.320 --> 01:10:31.175
of sunshine around at the moment but um

1667
01:10:31.199 --> 01:10:32.616
you know to go down there and to see

1668
01:10:32.640 --> 01:10:35.640
these great big bright uh rose yellow

1669
01:10:37.239 --> 01:10:40.135
poles jolting out of the ground or you

1670
01:10:40.159 --> 01:10:42.215
get a big misty night and you have a big

1671
01:10:42.239 --> 01:10:44.936
mist come in and the lights just it

1672
01:10:44.960 --> 01:10:46.776
glows down there it's actually it's a

1673
01:10:46.800 --> 01:10:49.416
fantastic feature and I understand that

1674
01:10:49.440 --> 01:10:51.256
art's subjective and not everyone's

1675
01:10:51.280 --> 01:10:53.896
going to like it but um I I have

1676
01:10:53.920 --> 01:10:55.896
actually come right around to it and I

1677
01:10:55.920 --> 01:10:58.616
am a big fan of it so I'm happy thank

1678
01:10:58.640 --> 01:11:01.640
you thanks Cancer Aken

1679
01:11:01.840 --> 01:11:04.376
oh sure sorry well might just um provide

1680
01:11:04.400 --> 01:11:06.376
some additional feedback there to the

1681
01:11:06.400 --> 01:11:08.616
questions asked earlier yeah uh just a

1682
01:11:08.640 --> 01:11:10.776
quick apology there um slight brain fade

1683
01:11:10.800 --> 01:11:13.175
from me so on the costings I was only

1684
01:11:13.199 --> 01:11:15.496
looking at the first stage so um just to

1685
01:11:15.520 --> 01:11:17.816
clarify the entire stage right through

1686
01:11:17.840 --> 01:11:20.840
would be to 300,000

1687
01:11:22.960 --> 01:11:24.536
I just looked back through my notes so

1688
01:11:24.560 --> 01:11:26.456
apologies there thank Thank you for that

1689
01:11:26.480 --> 01:11:28.215
we'll have a playground instead thank

1690
01:11:28.239 --> 01:11:31.016
you councelor Lint i just got to wrap it

1691
01:11:31.040 --> 01:11:33.416
up by saying there's a few good comments

1692
01:11:33.440 --> 01:11:35.736
be made about what might we do with this

1693
01:11:35.760 --> 01:11:38.456
overrun um I'd just ask perhaps go back

1694
01:11:38.480 --> 01:11:40.536
and ask can we keep it for future

1695
01:11:40.560 --> 01:11:42.296
maintenance you know it's going to it's

1696
01:11:42.320 --> 01:11:43.416
going to need some maintenance into the

1697
01:11:43.440 --> 01:11:44.856
future or we might be able to ask you we

1698
01:11:44.880 --> 01:11:47.096
just hang on to it just to do something

1699
01:11:47.120 --> 01:11:48.695
down the track another coat of paint

1700
01:11:48.719 --> 01:11:50.135
whatever it is that we need but let's

1701
01:11:50.159 --> 01:11:52.456
let's at least explore before we just

1702
01:11:52.480 --> 01:11:55.416
hand back the check thanks

1703
01:11:55.440 --> 01:11:57.736
okay thanks councelor Lynch all right

1704
01:11:57.760 --> 01:12:00.215
I'll put this motion all those in favor

1705
01:12:00.239 --> 01:12:02.936
please raise your right hand thank you

1706
01:12:02.960 --> 01:12:04.096
that's

1707
01:12:04.120 --> 01:12:06.215
unanimous right we have the Burnie

1708
01:12:06.239 --> 01:12:08.776
bsentenary committee going to have a

1709
01:12:08.800 --> 01:12:11.800
mover for this council peas councelor

1710
01:12:11.920 --> 01:12:14.056
Graves seconding council Pas who are you

1711
01:12:14.080 --> 01:12:15.576
moving

1712
01:12:15.600 --> 01:12:18.056
uh I'd like to move uh for point two

1713
01:12:18.080 --> 01:12:20.376
that to appoint councilors

1714
01:12:20.400 --> 01:12:23.096
uh Brumy and Simpson to the Burnie

1715
01:12:23.120 --> 01:12:26.120
bentenerary committee thank you we'll

1716
01:12:26.960 --> 01:12:29.256
accept that nomination thank you

1717
01:12:29.280 --> 01:12:31.175
councelor Peas um councelor Grave you

1718
01:12:31.199 --> 01:12:32.695
seconded this are you comfortable with

1719
01:12:32.719 --> 01:12:34.695
what has been Yep absolutely included

1720
01:12:34.719 --> 01:12:37.416
thank you no other comment right thank

1721
01:12:37.440 --> 01:12:39.816
you i'll put this motion all those in

1722
01:12:39.840 --> 01:12:41.896
favor please raise your right hand thank

1723
01:12:41.920 --> 01:12:43.456
you that's

1724
01:12:43.480 --> 01:12:46.056
unanimous we have the progress report

1725
01:12:46.080 --> 01:12:48.135
annual plan there's a recommendation

1726
01:12:48.159 --> 01:12:51.159
there thank you councelor Keygan moving

1727
01:12:51.400 --> 01:12:54.296
seconding thank you councelor Aken any

1728
01:12:54.320 --> 01:12:57.320
questions or comments okay I'll put this

1729
01:12:57.360 --> 01:12:59.416
motion all those in favor please raise

1730
01:12:59.440 --> 01:13:02.336
your right hand thank you that's

1731
01:13:02.360 --> 01:13:05.016
unanimous now we have the policy review

1732
01:13:05.040 --> 01:13:08.040
conducting council meetings on page 127

1733
01:13:08.880 --> 01:13:11.256
thank you Councelor Keygan moving that

1734
01:13:11.280 --> 01:13:13.816
seconding councelor Simpson councelor

1735
01:13:13.840 --> 01:13:16.135
Keygan do you wish to speak no any

1736
01:13:16.159 --> 01:13:18.056
speakers

1737
01:13:18.080 --> 01:13:21.080
councelor Dawson

1738
01:13:21.360 --> 01:13:23.016
sorry just pop your microphone on thank

1739
01:13:23.040 --> 01:13:24.936
you i I read this a couple times and I

1740
01:13:24.960 --> 01:13:27.175
I'll admit I was confused are we

1741
01:13:27.199 --> 01:13:29.456
allowing public questions on the

1742
01:13:29.480 --> 01:13:31.896
night so will people be able to come in

1743
01:13:31.920 --> 01:13:34.616
and ask questions on the night without

1744
01:13:34.640 --> 01:13:37.640
putting them in advance

1745
01:13:37.840 --> 01:13:40.840
you haven't read the policy

1746
01:13:43.360 --> 01:13:45.336
uh three men there's simple answer to

1747
01:13:45.360 --> 01:13:48.056
that question is no uh that the cut off

1748
01:13:48.080 --> 01:13:51.080
is on on the Friday prior to the council

1749
01:13:51.199 --> 01:13:54.199
meeting as proposed in the policy

1750
01:13:55.280 --> 01:13:57.536
um I'm voting against this

1751
01:13:57.560 --> 01:13:59.655
um I think people have a right to come

1752
01:13:59.679 --> 01:14:01.016
in and ask questions on the night I

1753
01:14:01.040 --> 01:14:02.135
think they have a right to come in and

1754
01:14:02.159 --> 01:14:04.376
make a statement on the night um it's a

1755
01:14:04.400 --> 01:14:06.135
departure from oh probably a hundred

1756
01:14:06.159 --> 01:14:08.776
years of of of what we've done alen Boyd

1757
01:14:08.800 --> 01:14:10.376
answered questions and Nita Dao answered

1758
01:14:10.400 --> 01:14:12.376
questions steve K answered questions we

1759
01:14:12.400 --> 01:14:13.655
have more than half a million dollars

1760
01:14:13.679 --> 01:14:15.496
sitting up here of people that know the

1761
01:14:15.520 --> 01:14:17.175
city they should be able to answer the

1762
01:14:17.199 --> 01:14:18.616
questions if they're you know if if

1763
01:14:18.640 --> 01:14:20.616
they're difficult put them on notice i

1764
01:14:20.640 --> 01:14:23.336
looked at Central Coast and what they

1765
01:14:23.360 --> 01:14:24.936
say is if you have something you'd like

1766
01:14:24.960 --> 01:14:26.536
to ask of us you can submit your

1767
01:14:26.560 --> 01:14:27.976
questions in writer prior to the meeting

1768
01:14:28.000 --> 01:14:30.096
or ask the person at the

1769
01:14:30.120 --> 01:14:32.695
meeting i looked at Waryard they have

1770
01:14:32.719 --> 01:14:34.135
public questions received in writing

1771
01:14:34.159 --> 01:14:35.736
public questions without notice public

1772
01:14:35.760 --> 01:14:37.336
statements in writing public statements

1773
01:14:37.360 --> 01:14:38.695
without notice and public questions

1774
01:14:38.719 --> 01:14:40.215
without notice relating to planning

1775
01:14:40.239 --> 01:14:41.695
matters you must have had a lot of

1776
01:14:41.719 --> 01:14:44.135
questions you know but that's that's

1777
01:14:44.159 --> 01:14:45.976
that's their right that's what they come

1778
01:14:46.000 --> 01:14:48.536
you know that if they can't ask us and

1779
01:14:48.560 --> 01:14:50.456
you have to ask us a week in advance now

1780
01:14:50.480 --> 01:14:51.655
all the people here tonight could have

1781
01:14:51.679 --> 01:14:54.679
asked us anything they wanted to which I

1782
01:14:54.719 --> 01:14:57.719
um and and I support that wholeheartedly

1783
01:14:58.159 --> 01:15:00.776
um and like I said we we have all these

1784
01:15:00.800 --> 01:15:02.536
adviserss up here if the mayor can't

1785
01:15:02.560 --> 01:15:04.056
answer the question and you're not meant

1786
01:15:04.080 --> 01:15:05.256
to know everything you're not meant to

1787
01:15:05.280 --> 01:15:07.016
know the operational stuff that's their

1788
01:15:07.040 --> 01:15:09.256
job so if someone asks an operational

1789
01:15:09.280 --> 01:15:10.616
question they should be able to answer

1790
01:15:10.640 --> 01:15:12.215
or we take it on notice and we put it

1791
01:15:12.239 --> 01:15:14.695
into the agenda or we send them an email

1792
01:15:14.719 --> 01:15:17.719
or whatever so um I I can't I didn't I

1793
01:15:18.800 --> 01:15:19.976
didn't agree with the policy during

1794
01:15:20.000 --> 01:15:22.376
workshop i can't agree with it now

1795
01:15:22.400 --> 01:15:25.400
thanks Chancellor Dossi canceler Aken

1796
01:15:29.040 --> 01:15:32.040
yeah I I actually agree with the uh the

1797
01:15:32.480 --> 01:15:35.056
newer ideas

1798
01:15:35.080 --> 01:15:38.080
because when people ask a question they

1799
01:15:38.400 --> 01:15:40.376
actually expect the correct information

1800
01:15:40.400 --> 01:15:43.376
to be given to them

1801
01:15:43.400 --> 01:15:46.215
and to give everyone the best

1802
01:15:46.239 --> 01:15:48.456
opportunity of being giving the correct

1803
01:15:48.480 --> 01:15:51.480
information when they ask a question

1804
01:15:51.679 --> 01:15:53.496
uh you actually need to slow the process

1805
01:15:53.520 --> 01:15:55.896
down do the research properly clarify

1806
01:15:55.920 --> 01:15:57.816
the answer that you're about to give to

1807
01:15:57.840 --> 01:15:59.736
make sure that it is actually genuine

1808
01:15:59.760 --> 01:16:02.760
and correct and then give that answer

1809
01:16:03.560 --> 01:16:06.560
uh so I don't think questions at 2

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01:16:07.520 --> 01:16:10.520
minutes to 7 actually work well uh I

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01:16:12.800 --> 01:16:14.695
don't think when you live stream events

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01:16:14.719 --> 01:16:17.719
and you get questions 2 minutes before a

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01:16:17.760 --> 01:16:20.376
meeting that could be quite in-depth and

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01:16:20.400 --> 01:16:22.695
then you're giving a answer that may or

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01:16:22.719 --> 01:16:25.719
may not be right and you actually held

1816
01:16:26.800 --> 01:16:28.456
accountable for that answer because

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01:16:28.480 --> 01:16:30.056
you've literally just sat there and said

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01:16:30.080 --> 01:16:32.376
this is what we think it's going to be

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01:16:32.400 --> 01:16:35.400
uh it makes it very tough and tricky

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01:16:37.480 --> 01:16:40.480
um council meetings are once a month you

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01:16:40.560 --> 01:16:43.016
can you you can send a question to

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01:16:43.040 --> 01:16:46.040
council at 3:00 on Sunday morning if you

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01:16:46.120 --> 01:16:48.856
want you can ask a question whenever you

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01:16:48.880 --> 01:16:51.016
want throughout the whole month you

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01:16:51.040 --> 01:16:53.576
don't have to be here at 2 minutes to 7

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01:16:53.600 --> 01:16:56.376
and ask a question you you don't even

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01:16:56.400 --> 01:16:58.776
you don't have to ask it publicly if you

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01:16:58.800 --> 01:17:00.695
don't want to you can you can email the

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01:17:00.719 --> 01:17:03.719
council you can send one of 100 emails

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01:17:05.000 --> 01:17:08.000
to the mayor or the general manager or

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01:17:09.120 --> 01:17:12.120
uh every counselor every counselor has

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01:17:12.400 --> 01:17:15.400
their phone number and email publicly

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01:17:16.040 --> 01:17:18.536
available so any question you could

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01:17:18.560 --> 01:17:20.856
possibly want you could send that at any

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01:17:20.880 --> 01:17:23.096
time of the day to any counselor on this

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01:17:23.120 --> 01:17:25.976
council and they could literally go

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01:17:26.000 --> 01:17:28.456
"Thanks for your question Jim i will get

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01:17:28.480 --> 01:17:30.296
you an answer and come back to you

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01:17:30.320 --> 01:17:31.655
shortly

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01:17:31.679 --> 01:17:34.679
so I do not see the importance of of ad

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01:17:35.040 --> 01:17:38.040
hoc off the cuff we need to do it and we

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01:17:38.239 --> 01:17:39.736
need to do it now and you got about 2

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01:17:39.760 --> 01:17:42.376
minutes to get an answer so I I fully

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01:17:42.400 --> 01:17:45.400
support this it gives us a lot more

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01:17:45.560 --> 01:17:48.135
transparency and a lot better chance at

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01:17:48.159 --> 01:17:49.896
actually answering the question

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01:17:49.920 --> 01:17:52.920
correctly with the right information

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01:17:53.120 --> 01:17:55.655
thanks councelor Aken councelor Peas

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01:17:55.679 --> 01:17:56.936
yeah look I was going to say very

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01:17:56.960 --> 01:17:58.695
similar to councelor Aken actually that

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01:17:58.719 --> 01:18:00.776
our existing motion the existing policy

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01:18:00.800 --> 01:18:02.776
was from a distant time when we didn't

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01:18:02.800 --> 01:18:04.776
have email we didn't have mobile phones

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01:18:04.800 --> 01:18:06.456
it was when you had to send a letter in

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01:18:06.480 --> 01:18:08.296
with a postage stamp on it it could take

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01:18:08.320 --> 01:18:10.376
a week to get to council whereas now

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01:18:10.400 --> 01:18:12.896
things are vastly different and

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01:18:12.920 --> 01:18:15.416
so what we really want to be giving the

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01:18:15.440 --> 01:18:17.416
community is accurate information

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01:18:17.440 --> 01:18:20.056
accurate answers to their questions and

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01:18:20.080 --> 01:18:22.296
I think what I witnessed the past few

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01:18:22.320 --> 01:18:24.856
months haven't been ideal it we've had

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01:18:24.880 --> 01:18:27.496
lengthy statements masters a question

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01:18:27.520 --> 01:18:29.816
we've had occasional grandstanding and

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01:18:29.840 --> 01:18:31.496
last minute notice of questions that are

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01:18:31.520 --> 01:18:33.816
both complex and difficult to comprehend

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01:18:33.840 --> 01:18:36.840
and that's not advantageous to anyone so

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01:18:37.199 --> 01:18:39.655
really if we have a procedure in place

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01:18:39.679 --> 01:18:41.376
this will actually give more

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01:18:41.400 --> 01:18:43.976
transparency the responses will be

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01:18:44.000 --> 01:18:46.695
published in the minutes so I think so

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01:18:46.719 --> 01:18:48.536
there's more information available and

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01:18:48.560 --> 01:18:50.536
so I think this is a much better way of

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01:18:50.560 --> 01:18:52.616
moving forward into a modern era

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01:18:52.640 --> 01:18:54.936
effectively

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01:18:54.960 --> 01:18:57.336
thanks councelor Peas i'm going to add

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01:18:57.360 --> 01:18:59.976
my voice before I throw to councelor

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01:19:00.000 --> 01:19:02.536
Lynch from my perspective some of the

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01:19:02.560 --> 01:19:04.616
changes made around public question time

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01:19:04.640 --> 01:19:07.256
about 6 months ago have created some

1881
01:19:07.280 --> 01:19:09.816
unintended challenges receiving

1882
01:19:09.840 --> 01:19:11.416
questions right before the meeting

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01:19:11.440 --> 01:19:14.440
starts sometimes just 5 minutes before

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01:19:14.880 --> 01:19:17.496
puts enormous pressure on staff to find

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01:19:17.520 --> 01:19:19.256
accurate information in that last minute

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01:19:19.280 --> 01:19:21.576
and it's at times caused our meetings to

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01:19:21.600 --> 01:19:23.655
start much later

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01:19:23.679 --> 01:19:25.576
the original intent of public question

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01:19:25.600 --> 01:19:28.536
time was to promote greater transparency

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01:19:28.560 --> 01:19:31.175
and provide meaningful answers but with

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01:19:31.199 --> 01:19:33.256
such short notice we're often left

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01:19:33.280 --> 01:19:35.416
having to take questions on notice and I

1893
01:19:35.440 --> 01:19:36.936
don't know how many questions I've taken

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01:19:36.960 --> 01:19:39.655
on notice in this last 6 months it

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01:19:39.679 --> 01:19:42.679
defeats the purpose and that's not ideal

1896
01:19:42.960 --> 01:19:45.336
for our community or for good governance

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01:19:45.360 --> 01:19:47.336
by asking for questions to be submitted

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01:19:47.360 --> 01:19:49.896
at 5:00 pm on the Friday as was our

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01:19:49.920 --> 01:19:52.776
previous uh operandi this gives council

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01:19:52.800 --> 01:19:55.016
staff the time they need to prepare

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01:19:55.040 --> 01:19:57.496
accurate respectful answers and it

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01:19:57.520 --> 01:19:59.496
ensures that our meetings can run more

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01:19:59.520 --> 01:20:02.135
smoothly and transparently and I'm a

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01:20:02.159 --> 01:20:04.056
firm believer that these policy updates

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01:20:04.080 --> 01:20:06.135
will help us return to the spirit of

1906
01:20:06.159 --> 01:20:07.576
what the public question time is

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01:20:07.600 --> 01:20:09.896
actually meant to achieve councelor

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01:20:09.920 --> 01:20:12.616
Lynch um I was just going to point out

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01:20:12.640 --> 01:20:14.456
that I agree with most people here the

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01:20:14.480 --> 01:20:16.456
important thing to note is we we're not

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01:20:16.480 --> 01:20:19.096
refusing questions we're we're not

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01:20:19.120 --> 01:20:21.655
saying knocking back people's ability to

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01:20:21.679 --> 01:20:23.016
ask them all we're really doing is

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01:20:23.040 --> 01:20:25.736
shifting the time that they get answered

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01:20:25.760 --> 01:20:28.215
slightly so if they if they're in by a

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01:20:28.239 --> 01:20:29.896
certain period of time they'll appear on

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01:20:29.920 --> 01:20:31.576
the night in the agenda if they miss

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01:20:31.600 --> 01:20:33.215
that cut off they'll be in the next

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01:20:33.239 --> 01:20:36.239
agenda so So it you know it's it's all

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01:20:36.560 --> 01:20:37.655
we're really doing is shifting around

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01:20:37.679 --> 01:20:39.976
the amount of time that these questions

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01:20:40.000 --> 01:20:42.056
will be answered in we're not stifling

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01:20:42.080 --> 01:20:44.056
question time as such

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01:20:44.080 --> 01:20:47.080
thanks Councelor Leech councelor Grave

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01:20:48.080 --> 01:20:50.536
yeah certainly I sort of see both sides

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01:20:50.560 --> 01:20:53.496
of this i certainly think um uh the

1927
01:20:53.520 --> 01:20:55.336
Burnie rate payers and residents have

1928
01:20:55.360 --> 01:20:58.096
the right to to ask a question anytime

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01:20:58.120 --> 01:21:01.120
um but with that said the the council

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01:21:01.199 --> 01:21:03.896
chambers or you know the the office here

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01:21:03.920 --> 01:21:06.056
it's it's open Monday to Friday the the

1932
01:21:06.080 --> 01:21:07.976
doors aren't locked and um as councelor

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01:21:08.000 --> 01:21:11.000
Aland said our phones are phone numbers

1934
01:21:11.199 --> 01:21:13.816
are all published online so uh if and

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01:21:13.840 --> 01:21:16.616
email so if anyone wants information

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01:21:16.640 --> 01:21:18.776
they can they can certainly get it but

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01:21:18.800 --> 01:21:21.655
uh I would have loved to seen um

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01:21:21.679 --> 01:21:23.736
questions still be able to be asked on

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01:21:23.760 --> 01:21:26.296
the night u but certainly understand the

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01:21:26.320 --> 01:21:28.856
difficulty with providing a uh an answer

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01:21:28.880 --> 01:21:31.880
on the night or or even um um yeah

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01:21:32.800 --> 01:21:34.616
getting back to them with the the right

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01:21:34.640 --> 01:21:37.175
information but uh certainly people have

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01:21:37.199 --> 01:21:40.199
got the ability to ask questions anytime

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01:21:40.960 --> 01:21:43.416
it's just a change uh to the meeting

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01:21:43.440 --> 01:21:45.736
procedure but certainly uh before the

1947
01:21:45.760 --> 01:21:47.976
meeting um all the counselors are here

1948
01:21:48.000 --> 01:21:50.376
in in this room and and certainly once

1949
01:21:50.400 --> 01:21:52.376
the meeting's over the counselors are

1950
01:21:52.400 --> 01:21:54.215
all in the room so if people have

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01:21:54.239 --> 01:21:57.239
questions um yeah grab one of us and ask

1952
01:21:57.920 --> 01:22:00.896
thanks Councelor Grave right

1953
01:22:00.920 --> 01:22:03.920
I'll ask uh councelor Keygan to close

1954
01:22:04.320 --> 01:22:05.695
thank you

1955
01:22:05.719 --> 01:22:08.719
um I think that one of the better

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01:22:09.679 --> 01:22:12.679
improvements of this policy is that

1957
01:22:14.239 --> 01:22:17.096
previously um oh as long as this policy

1958
01:22:17.120 --> 01:22:19.816
is passed um it will then become uh what

1959
01:22:19.840 --> 01:22:22.816
we do moving forward but

1960
01:22:22.840 --> 01:22:25.256
previously for example last month's

1961
01:22:25.280 --> 01:22:27.976
public questions were asked on the night

1962
01:22:28.000 --> 01:22:30.776
they were answered on the night and

1963
01:22:30.800 --> 01:22:33.800
besides the live feed and recording that

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01:22:34.320 --> 01:22:37.320
is the only record of those questions

1965
01:22:37.520 --> 01:22:39.976
being asked that is available to the

1966
01:22:40.000 --> 01:22:41.856
public and this

1967
01:22:41.880 --> 01:22:44.880
way questions that are submitted and the

1968
01:22:45.600 --> 01:22:48.600
answers will appear in the agendas for

1969
01:22:48.719 --> 01:22:50.615
the coming meetings dependent on when

1970
01:22:50.639 --> 01:22:52.256
they are received as well as the

1971
01:22:52.280 --> 01:22:55.280
responses which in my view actually

1972
01:22:55.679 --> 01:22:58.615
speaks to the spirit of public question

1973
01:22:58.639 --> 01:23:00.536
time which is that information is

1974
01:23:00.560 --> 01:23:03.560
disseminated to the public and that all

1975
01:23:03.760 --> 01:23:05.576
members of our community have the

1976
01:23:05.600 --> 01:23:07.976
capacity if they have the desire to do

1977
01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:11.000
so to seek out those questions and I

1978
01:23:12.560 --> 01:23:15.016
think that it adds an additional layer

1979
01:23:15.040 --> 01:23:18.040
of accountability for us as counselors

1980
01:23:19.120 --> 01:23:22.120
for us as an organization at council and

1981
01:23:24.320 --> 01:23:26.016
I will be

1982
01:23:26.040 --> 01:23:29.040
um voting for this motion and Michelle

1983
01:23:29.679 --> 01:23:32.615
it's just come off thanks so much

1984
01:23:32.639 --> 01:23:34.376
councelor Keygan all right I'll put this

1985
01:23:34.400 --> 01:23:36.215
motion to the vote all those in favor

1986
01:23:36.239 --> 01:23:38.215
please raise your right hand i'll call

1987
01:23:38.239 --> 01:23:40.936
this councelor Peas councelor Keygan

1988
01:23:40.960 --> 01:23:42.776
councelor Lynch councelor Simpson

1989
01:23:42.800 --> 01:23:45.695
councelor Aken councelor Boyd those

1990
01:23:45.719 --> 01:23:48.615
against councelor Dorsey councelor Grave

1991
01:23:48.639 --> 01:23:51.135
that motion is

1992
01:23:51.159 --> 01:23:53.655
carried okay next we have code of

1993
01:23:53.679 --> 01:23:56.679
conduct determination report 21 of March

1994
01:23:57.280 --> 01:23:59.096
can I have a mover thank you councelor

1995
01:23:59.120 --> 01:24:01.976
Keygan seconding councelor Aken any

1996
01:24:02.000 --> 01:24:05.000
questions or comments

1997
01:24:05.920 --> 01:24:08.920
sorry yeah yes i just want to make um

1998
01:24:10.639 --> 01:24:13.336
just one comment that um we did have a

1999
01:24:13.360 --> 01:24:14.776
discussion at one point in time that our

2000
01:24:14.800 --> 01:24:17.496
emails were no one would ever look up

2001
01:24:17.520 --> 01:24:18.655
our

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01:24:18.679 --> 01:24:21.215
emails um

2003
01:24:21.239 --> 01:24:24.135
but it was in there that he requested an

2004
01:24:24.159 --> 01:24:26.135
IT section provide copies of emails in

2005
01:24:26.159 --> 01:24:29.159
question um I believe we were told at

2006
01:24:29.280 --> 01:24:30.695
one point in time that that would never

2007
01:24:30.719 --> 01:24:33.719
be done

2008
01:24:33.760 --> 01:24:36.760
i'm sorry i'm not following

2009
01:24:38.000 --> 01:24:40.456
oh just pop your microphone on says um

2010
01:24:40.480 --> 01:24:42.135
Mr overland was agreved that he was not

2011
01:24:42.159 --> 01:24:43.736
included in the emails which resulted in

2012
01:24:43.760 --> 01:24:45.736
him requesting his IT section to provide

2013
01:24:45.760 --> 01:24:48.615
copies of the emails in question i think

2014
01:24:48.639 --> 01:24:50.135
he made a commitment to us at one point

2015
01:24:50.159 --> 01:24:52.536
in time that that would never happen

2016
01:24:52.560 --> 01:24:54.856
correct that's that's all I it's just

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01:24:54.880 --> 01:24:56.056
something I picked up when I was reading

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01:24:56.080 --> 01:24:57.576
it

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01:24:57.600 --> 01:25:00.600
okay any other

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01:25:00.840 --> 01:25:03.496
comments i'll put this motion all those

2021
01:25:03.520 --> 01:25:05.816
in favor that it be noted raise your

2022
01:25:05.840 --> 01:25:08.816
right hand thank you that's

2023
01:25:08.840 --> 01:25:11.256
unanimous code of conduct determination

2024
01:25:11.280 --> 01:25:14.280
report on the 17th of April page 148

2025
01:25:15.440 --> 01:25:18.440
councelor Aken moving councelor P

2026
01:25:18.480 --> 01:25:21.480
seconding any questions or

2027
01:25:22.040 --> 01:25:25.040
comments i'll put this motion all those

2028
01:25:25.520 --> 01:25:27.976
in favor please raise your right hand

2029
01:25:28.000 --> 01:25:29.736
thank you that's unanimous I believe

2030
01:25:29.760 --> 01:25:32.760
councelor Simpson you are yes thank you

2031
01:25:34.000 --> 01:25:36.135
code of conduct determination report

2032
01:25:36.159 --> 01:25:39.159
23rd of April page 157 can I go again by

2033
01:25:40.880 --> 01:25:43.880
all means moving that councelor Aten

2034
01:25:44.000 --> 01:25:47.000
seconding councelor Dorsey any questions

2035
01:25:47.040 --> 01:25:49.296
or comments on

2036
01:25:49.320 --> 01:25:52.320
this okay I'll put the motion all those

2037
01:25:52.960 --> 01:25:55.096
in favor please raise your right hand

2038
01:25:55.120 --> 01:25:57.416
thank you that's unanimous

2039
01:25:57.440 --> 01:25:59.655
we have the auditor general report on

2040
01:25:59.679 --> 01:26:02.376
financial statements thank you councelor

2041
01:26:02.400 --> 01:26:04.416
Peas moving that seconded councelor

2042
01:26:04.440 --> 01:26:07.440
Dorsey councelor Peas did you wish to

2043
01:26:07.760 --> 01:26:09.736
Yeah I have a little bit to speak to

2044
01:26:09.760 --> 01:26:12.456
this uh there's some real positives for

2045
01:26:12.480 --> 01:26:14.456
Burnie City Council in this report but

2046
01:26:14.480 --> 01:26:15.976
they also need to be tempered by the

2047
01:26:16.000 --> 01:26:18.376
equally as real stark reality that the

2048
01:26:18.400 --> 01:26:20.695
repair work both in terms of finance and

2049
01:26:20.719 --> 01:26:23.719
assets is still in its infancy as the

2050
01:26:23.760 --> 01:26:25.976
report shows we've achieved three conse

2051
01:26:26.000 --> 01:26:28.376
consecutive underlying surpluses but it

2052
01:26:28.400 --> 01:26:30.215
did come at a cost in that our rates

2053
01:26:30.239 --> 01:26:31.816
increased across the past four years

2054
01:26:31.840 --> 01:26:33.976
were 4% above the average of life size

2055
01:26:34.000 --> 01:26:36.816
councils that is 1% a year above similar

2056
01:26:36.840 --> 01:26:38.695
councils but this should be tempered

2057
01:26:38.719 --> 01:26:39.816
with the knowledge that the four years

2058
01:26:39.840 --> 01:26:41.416
prior to that councils were providing

2059
01:26:41.440 --> 01:26:42.736
rate

2060
01:26:42.760 --> 01:26:45.096
decreases an area that needs improvement

2061
01:26:45.120 --> 01:26:47.016
is our capital expenditure or more

2062
01:26:47.040 --> 01:26:48.615
simply the maintaining and renewal of

2063
01:26:48.639 --> 01:26:50.936
our assets this is going to mean some

2064
01:26:50.960 --> 01:26:52.936
more hard decisions of council as we are

2065
01:26:52.960 --> 01:26:54.576
asset rich and cash

2066
01:26:54.600 --> 01:26:57.600
poor uh realistically we need to we

2067
01:26:57.679 --> 01:26:59.256
simply can't continue to build new

2068
01:26:59.280 --> 01:27:01.536
things in fact the opposite must

2069
01:27:01.560 --> 01:27:03.576
occur probably the biggest area of

2070
01:27:03.600 --> 01:27:05.416
concern from the report is our cash

2071
01:27:05.440 --> 01:27:08.440
expense cover ratio which is below zero

2072
01:27:08.880 --> 01:27:10.776
that is our committed funds exceed

2073
01:27:10.800 --> 01:27:13.336
current cash holdings we do have grant

2074
01:27:13.360 --> 01:27:15.175
money to help this situation but again

2075
01:27:15.199 --> 01:27:17.096
we need to make significant savings and

2076
01:27:17.120 --> 01:27:19.496
changes if we are to build cash reserves

2077
01:27:19.520 --> 01:27:21.655
and there's no quick fix to this a

2078
01:27:21.679 --> 01:27:24.655
long-term consistent approach must

2079
01:27:24.679 --> 01:27:26.856
continue one of the clear findings from

2080
01:27:26.880 --> 01:27:28.215
reading the report is that the smaller

2081
01:27:28.239 --> 01:27:29.976
the rate base the greater the challenge

2082
01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:32.856
of minimizing rate increases sadly

2083
01:27:32.880 --> 01:27:34.376
Burnie City Council is caught in the

2084
01:27:34.400 --> 01:27:36.056
economy at scale issue of providing

2085
01:27:36.080 --> 01:27:38.536
regional services and facilities with a

2086
01:27:38.560 --> 01:27:41.416
very small rate base again this means as

2087
01:27:41.440 --> 01:27:43.175
a council we need to make some very

2088
01:27:43.199 --> 01:27:46.199
tough decisions

2089
01:27:46.400 --> 01:27:48.536
thank you councelor Peas for those uh

2090
01:27:48.560 --> 01:27:51.175
points that you raised are there any

2091
01:27:51.199 --> 01:27:53.576
other speakers to this

2092
01:27:53.600 --> 01:27:56.600
right yes councelor Dossi please

2093
01:27:56.920 --> 01:27:59.336
um you can't disagree with what he said

2094
01:27:59.360 --> 01:28:02.360
that's true but really what he's saying

2095
01:28:02.480 --> 01:28:04.135
is we're going to put the parks on hold

2096
01:28:04.159 --> 01:28:05.256
again we're going to put the sports

2097
01:28:05.280 --> 01:28:06.856
center on hold again we're going to put

2098
01:28:06.880 --> 01:28:08.456
the upgrade to the aquatic center on

2099
01:28:08.480 --> 01:28:10.135
hold and we're going to put them on hold

2100
01:28:10.159 --> 01:28:13.016
until my grandchildren don't use them

2101
01:28:13.040 --> 01:28:14.856
you know they they will outgrow it like

2102
01:28:14.880 --> 01:28:16.856
your children outgrew the parks you know

2103
01:28:16.880 --> 01:28:18.135
all of a sudden you didn't need parks

2104
01:28:18.159 --> 01:28:19.655
and I'm not I'm not saying anything

2105
01:28:19.679 --> 01:28:21.576
about you particular but that's how long

2106
01:28:21.600 --> 01:28:23.736
it takes so we're looking at another 10

2107
01:28:23.760 --> 01:28:25.695
years

2108
01:28:25.719 --> 01:28:28.536
so when when when do we when do we start

2109
01:28:28.560 --> 01:28:29.816
achieving things when do we start

2110
01:28:29.840 --> 01:28:31.175
getting the money to do things when do

2111
01:28:31.199 --> 01:28:33.016
we start asking the government to throw

2112
01:28:33.040 --> 01:28:34.695
money in so that we can actually achieve

2113
01:28:34.719 --> 01:28:36.536
things and we can we can provide things

2114
01:28:36.560 --> 01:28:39.416
facilities for our city um like I said

2115
01:28:39.440 --> 01:28:42.440
you can't disagree with him um but it

2116
01:28:42.719 --> 01:28:44.856
just means what he said is we have to

2117
01:28:44.880 --> 01:28:46.936
bite the bullet and not do anything

2118
01:28:46.960 --> 01:28:49.736
which is which is a worry because I

2119
01:28:49.760 --> 01:28:50.936
think we're here to do things and I

2120
01:28:50.960 --> 01:28:52.135
think we're here to help the community

2121
01:28:52.159 --> 01:28:54.376
move forward and to provide services and

2122
01:28:54.400 --> 01:28:56.776
and facilities that that are for their

2123
01:28:56.800 --> 01:28:59.776
benefit and

2124
01:28:59.800 --> 01:29:02.456
um so whilst I agree with his sentiment

2125
01:29:02.480 --> 01:29:05.480
I disagree with the his conclusion

2126
01:29:06.880 --> 01:29:09.175
can I just respond yeah please at no

2127
01:29:09.199 --> 01:29:10.856
point did I say during there that we

2128
01:29:10.880 --> 01:29:13.880
weren't going to do anything at no point

2129
01:29:14.000 --> 01:29:16.215
that's a conclusion you've come to

2130
01:29:16.239 --> 01:29:17.816
through your own resources councelor

2131
01:29:17.840 --> 01:29:20.215
Dorsey that's not what I said at any

2132
01:29:20.239 --> 01:29:21.736
point

2133
01:29:21.760 --> 01:29:24.760
thanks Councelor Peas um through the

2134
01:29:25.520 --> 01:29:28.520
chair please um is there any other

2135
01:29:28.560 --> 01:29:31.560
speakers to this councelor Aken

2136
01:29:33.280 --> 01:29:36.056
yes uh councelor Peace was correct in

2137
01:29:36.080 --> 01:29:39.080
what he said and may or may not have

2138
01:29:39.120 --> 01:29:40.096
been

2139
01:29:40.120 --> 01:29:43.120
misinterpreted uh Burnie has a

2140
01:29:43.600 --> 01:29:45.416
phenomenal amount of assets i think

2141
01:29:45.440 --> 01:29:47.655
Burnie has about half a billion dollars

2142
01:29:47.679 --> 01:29:48.816
worth of

2143
01:29:48.840 --> 01:29:51.840
assets and we've got about 10,000 rate

2144
01:29:53.480 --> 01:29:56.056
payers so we've got a very small number

2145
01:29:56.080 --> 01:29:59.016
of people that have to pay a very large

2146
01:29:59.040 --> 01:30:01.655
amount of rates for a very large amount

2147
01:30:01.679 --> 01:30:04.576
of infrastructure

2148
01:30:04.600 --> 01:30:07.600
um we have we have three bowls

2149
01:30:08.520 --> 01:30:11.256
clubs we got 10,000 rate pers and three

2150
01:30:11.280 --> 01:30:13.896
bowls clubs so we do have massive

2151
01:30:13.920 --> 01:30:16.615
massive expenditure massive expenditure

2152
01:30:16.639 --> 01:30:18.296
so I do fully understand what you're

2153
01:30:18.320 --> 01:30:20.856
saying councelor Peace we do have big

2154
01:30:20.880 --> 01:30:22.776
costs we do have big costs here in

2155
01:30:22.800 --> 01:30:25.800
Burnie um I do sorry councelor Dorsey i

2156
01:30:26.480 --> 01:30:27.896
don't know if you missed the point

2157
01:30:27.920 --> 01:30:30.920
deliberately or accidentally um we

2158
01:30:31.199 --> 01:30:32.695
literally just sat here with a

2159
01:30:32.719 --> 01:30:34.856
playground strategy and we literally

2160
01:30:34.880 --> 01:30:37.736
just said we want money from the

2161
01:30:37.760 --> 01:30:40.135
government we are asking for money from

2162
01:30:40.159 --> 01:30:42.135
the government we are applying for

2163
01:30:42.159 --> 01:30:45.159
grants we are doing everything sorry not

2164
01:30:45.199 --> 01:30:48.199
we this the Burnie city council is doing

2165
01:30:48.719 --> 01:30:51.175
everything it can possibly do and apply

2166
01:30:51.199 --> 01:30:54.199
for every single grant it possibly can

2167
01:30:54.239 --> 01:30:57.096
do and although on the surface it

2168
01:30:57.120 --> 01:30:58.695
probably doesn't look like it's going

2169
01:30:58.719 --> 01:31:00.016
bank gang

2170
01:31:00.040 --> 01:31:02.296
busters there certainly is a lot of work

2171
01:31:02.320 --> 01:31:04.615
getting done trying to get government

2172
01:31:04.639 --> 01:31:06.776
grants to put the money together to move

2173
01:31:06.800 --> 01:31:09.016
forward and having a playground strategy

2174
01:31:09.040 --> 01:31:10.856
is one of those things where we sat here

2175
01:31:10.880 --> 01:31:13.256
tonight and literally said this is what

2176
01:31:13.280 --> 01:31:14.856
we want to do we didn't say we're going

2177
01:31:14.880 --> 01:31:17.256
to build playgrounds in 10 years time we

2178
01:31:17.280 --> 01:31:18.776
didn't sit here and say we can't build

2179
01:31:18.800 --> 01:31:20.936
playgrounds for another 10 years we sat

2180
01:31:20.960 --> 01:31:23.336
here and said we want government money

2181
01:31:23.360 --> 01:31:25.175
this is what it's going to cost this is

2182
01:31:25.199 --> 01:31:27.496
what we're going to do with it let's go

2183
01:31:27.520 --> 01:31:29.816
dear dear people running for the

2184
01:31:29.840 --> 01:31:32.175
election can you give us some

2185
01:31:32.199 --> 01:31:35.199
cash so they're doing everything that

2186
01:31:35.360 --> 01:31:37.576
they can do

2187
01:31:37.600 --> 01:31:40.600
thanks Councelor Aken councelor Grave

2188
01:31:41.280 --> 01:31:43.576
yeah just quickly agree with the uh

2189
01:31:43.600 --> 01:31:45.576
councilors around the table Burnie has

2190
01:31:45.600 --> 01:31:48.600
got uh uh we've got a lot of costs uh

2191
01:31:49.440 --> 01:31:51.976
small rate base but uh one thing what

2192
01:31:52.000 --> 01:31:54.695
probably hasn't been mentioned uh this

2193
01:31:54.719 --> 01:31:57.096
report uh Burnie's numbers are looking a

2194
01:31:57.120 --> 01:31:59.336
lot better than the previous report so

2195
01:31:59.360 --> 01:32:00.936
that was just what I wanted to add to

2196
01:32:00.960 --> 01:32:02.615
the end

2197
01:32:02.639 --> 01:32:04.215
thanks councelor Grave any other

2198
01:32:04.239 --> 01:32:06.296
speakers to this

2199
01:32:06.320 --> 01:32:09.016
councelor Peace yes in summing yeah look

2200
01:32:09.040 --> 01:32:11.016
that's councelor Grave has hit spot on

2201
01:32:11.040 --> 01:32:12.856
when we look at the report four years

2202
01:32:12.880 --> 01:32:15.056
ago from the

2203
01:32:15.080 --> 01:32:17.816
auder reality the one we've got now

2204
01:32:17.840 --> 01:32:20.135
isn't glowing but it's a step in the

2205
01:32:20.159 --> 01:32:22.695
right direction what it has shown and

2206
01:32:22.719 --> 01:32:24.296
what I think councelor Dorsey needs to

2207
01:32:24.320 --> 01:32:26.456
take on board is it shows that what we

2208
01:32:26.480 --> 01:32:29.480
did previously didn't work and so that's

2209
01:32:29.679 --> 01:32:31.655
why we have this situation of of things

2210
01:32:31.679 --> 01:32:33.175
not having occurred as we would have

2211
01:32:33.199 --> 01:32:35.256
liked so now we have to change that

2212
01:32:35.280 --> 01:32:37.496
formula and all I did simply was

2213
01:32:37.520 --> 01:32:39.816
paraphrase or analyze what the auditor

2214
01:32:39.840 --> 01:32:41.816
general has said there's nothing there

2215
01:32:41.840 --> 01:32:43.576
that I've made up there's nothing there

2216
01:32:43.600 --> 01:32:46.056
that's my own personal opinion it was

2217
01:32:46.080 --> 01:32:47.256
just what's written there from the

2218
01:32:47.280 --> 01:32:48.936
auditor general now we don't have to

2219
01:32:48.960 --> 01:32:50.776
agree with it but it's hard to disagree

2220
01:32:50.800 --> 01:32:53.800
with the data so what we need to do is

2221
01:32:54.480 --> 01:32:56.536
be progressive in how we go about these

2222
01:32:56.560 --> 01:32:59.560
things now and use this data that we've

2223
01:32:59.840 --> 01:33:02.296
got and say how do we build on it how do

2224
01:33:02.320 --> 01:33:05.320
we activate those government grants how

2225
01:33:05.600 --> 01:33:08.056
do we get the money in that we need to

2226
01:33:08.080 --> 01:33:09.896
do things and maybe that means

2227
01:33:09.920 --> 01:33:12.536
rationalizing in some areas i know

2228
01:33:12.560 --> 01:33:13.976
councelor Graven and ourselves have had

2229
01:33:14.000 --> 01:33:16.215
to talk about some of the the land

2230
01:33:16.239 --> 01:33:17.976
council owns that's in remote areas that

2231
01:33:18.000 --> 01:33:19.816
we wouldn't even know we own you know is

2232
01:33:19.840 --> 01:33:21.336
that a possibility that we can release

2233
01:33:21.360 --> 01:33:23.576
that and get funds for other things so

2234
01:33:23.600 --> 01:33:25.416
let's be progressive let's look at what

2235
01:33:25.440 --> 01:33:27.256
we can do with the knowledge that we've

2236
01:33:27.280 --> 01:33:29.336
actually received

2237
01:33:29.360 --> 01:33:32.215
thanks councelor Peas okay I'll put this

2238
01:33:32.239 --> 01:33:34.856
motion all those in favor please raise

2239
01:33:34.880 --> 01:33:37.880
your right hand thank you councelor Boy

2240
01:33:38.080 --> 01:33:40.776
yes that's unanimous thank you okay now

2241
01:33:40.800 --> 01:33:42.215
we have the Burnie City Council

2242
01:33:42.239 --> 01:33:45.239
Community Satisfaction Survey page

2243
01:33:45.480 --> 01:33:48.135
259 thank you Councelor Keygan moving

2244
01:33:48.159 --> 01:33:50.776
that and seconding councelor Aken are

2245
01:33:50.800 --> 01:33:53.096
there any questions or comments on this

2246
01:33:53.120 --> 01:33:55.416
councelor Aken

2247
01:33:55.440 --> 01:33:58.416
that was a very interesting read

2248
01:33:58.440 --> 01:34:01.175
um apparently people don't answer their

2249
01:34:01.199 --> 01:34:02.776
phone

2250
01:34:02.800 --> 01:34:05.800
to to phone numbers that they don't know

2251
01:34:06.159 --> 01:34:09.159
uh if we can learn anything from it I

2252
01:34:10.080 --> 01:34:12.695
think the old phone a friend survey and

2253
01:34:12.719 --> 01:34:15.719
things like that are gone past their due

2254
01:34:15.920 --> 01:34:18.856
date now and I think when you ring

2255
01:34:18.880 --> 01:34:21.416
several thousand people and virtually

2256
01:34:21.440 --> 01:34:24.440
nobody actually rings you back or or

2257
01:34:24.480 --> 01:34:26.615
answers a phone these days as they do

2258
01:34:26.639 --> 01:34:29.639
that maybe we need to look at other ways

2259
01:34:30.320 --> 01:34:32.135
that we could gather the information

2260
01:34:32.159 --> 01:34:35.159
moving forward thanks C sorry please um

2261
01:34:36.880 --> 01:34:38.776
just a few things out of this report

2262
01:34:38.800 --> 01:34:41.096
this survey the results of the survey

2263
01:34:41.120 --> 01:34:42.695
were mostly as I would have expected

2264
01:34:42.719 --> 01:34:44.536
with the single biggest dissatisfaction

2265
01:34:44.560 --> 01:34:46.536
being communication from council and

2266
01:34:46.560 --> 01:34:48.056
that's something we're aware of and

2267
01:34:48.080 --> 01:34:50.936
working really hard to address and it's

2268
01:34:50.960 --> 01:34:52.936
probably no surprise given to a large

2269
01:34:52.960 --> 01:34:54.456
extent councilors haven't been able to

2270
01:34:54.480 --> 01:34:56.296
agree on key issues such as our

2271
01:34:56.320 --> 01:34:58.456
financial situation and so mixed

2272
01:34:58.480 --> 01:35:01.096
messages are relayed to rateayers as a

2273
01:35:01.120 --> 01:35:03.016
collective we need to be aware that our

2274
01:35:03.040 --> 01:35:04.615
disagreement should occur behind closed

2275
01:35:04.639 --> 01:35:06.776
doors and once a decision is made like

2276
01:35:06.800 --> 01:35:08.776
it or not we need to be on board and

2277
01:35:08.800 --> 01:35:11.056
consistent in our messaging to the

2278
01:35:11.080 --> 01:35:13.256
community also of interest but no

2279
01:35:13.280 --> 01:35:14.936
surprise is a large percentage of rate

2280
01:35:14.960 --> 01:35:16.456
players don't believe they get value for

2281
01:35:16.480 --> 01:35:18.615
their rates this links back to the

2282
01:35:18.639 --> 01:35:20.135
auditor general's report which I just

2283
01:35:20.159 --> 01:35:22.615
spoke on that shows we have many assets

2284
01:35:22.639 --> 01:35:24.615
many in poor condition costing our rate

2285
01:35:24.639 --> 01:35:26.215
payers a significant amount of money

2286
01:35:26.239 --> 01:35:28.936
each year we do need to rationalize our

2287
01:35:28.960 --> 01:35:31.960
asset base also of note and somewhat

2288
01:35:32.560 --> 01:35:34.856
surprising given social media rants is

2289
01:35:34.880 --> 01:35:36.856
how few people see parking as an issue

2290
01:35:36.880 --> 01:35:39.096
in Burnie it was only about 1% of

2291
01:35:39.120 --> 01:35:41.175
respondents had an issue with parking

2292
01:35:41.199 --> 01:35:43.655
nine people nine people in total

2293
01:35:43.679 --> 01:35:45.336
certainly there is some really useful

2294
01:35:45.360 --> 01:35:46.856
information in this report and I thank

2295
01:35:46.880 --> 01:35:48.936
the GM for releasing it to both us and

2296
01:35:48.960 --> 01:35:50.776
rateayers as despite it being provided

2297
01:35:50.800 --> 01:35:53.336
to management many many months ago it

2298
01:35:53.360 --> 01:35:55.376
did not come to our attention until just

2299
01:35:55.400 --> 01:35:58.376
recently so I do appreciate that the

2300
01:35:58.400 --> 01:36:00.215
information was released to us so we can

2301
01:36:00.239 --> 01:36:03.239
make better decisions for the community

2302
01:36:03.600 --> 01:36:06.600
thanks Councelor Peas councelor Dorsey

2303
01:36:06.880 --> 01:36:08.615
just you do need to pop your microphone

2304
01:36:08.639 --> 01:36:11.175
on i don't know you're in waiting um I'm

2305
01:36:11.199 --> 01:36:13.695
with Councelor Aken that out of

2306
01:36:13.719 --> 01:36:16.719
7,044 phone numbers there were 300 that

2307
01:36:16.960 --> 01:36:19.960
were completed 300 now I always put this

2308
01:36:21.040 --> 01:36:23.096
into perspective and I of social media

2309
01:36:23.120 --> 01:36:25.416
and and I'm not on it much anymore so it

2310
01:36:25.440 --> 01:36:27.336
doesn't mean anything

2311
01:36:27.360 --> 01:36:29.175
we we take their views and everyone

2312
01:36:29.199 --> 01:36:32.199
takes them seriously but and and most of

2313
01:36:32.560 --> 01:36:34.695
them a lot of them are negative there's

2314
01:36:34.719 --> 01:36:36.456
a lot of negative comments um and that's

2315
01:36:36.480 --> 01:36:37.816
probably why I got off i don't need any

2316
01:36:37.840 --> 01:36:40.840
more negativity in my life

2317
01:36:41.639 --> 01:36:44.095
um but when they have a

2318
01:36:44.119 --> 01:36:47.119
chance they don't respond so out of

2319
01:36:49.000 --> 01:36:52.000
7,44 phone numbers 300 were completed

2320
01:36:52.400 --> 01:36:54.135
you had a chance to stand up and you

2321
01:36:54.159 --> 01:36:55.416
didn't you had a chance to make a

2322
01:36:55.440 --> 01:36:57.095
comment and you didn't now there could

2323
01:36:57.119 --> 01:36:58.615
be a lot of reasons for maybe half of

2324
01:36:58.639 --> 01:37:01.639
those but 300 out of 7,000 it it's it's

2325
01:37:03.360 --> 01:37:05.816
really I think it's sad reflection on on

2326
01:37:05.840 --> 01:37:07.095
a lot of things and I agree with

2327
01:37:07.119 --> 01:37:08.456
councelor Aken we'll have to find a

2328
01:37:08.480 --> 01:37:10.936
better way to get people's opinions and

2329
01:37:10.960 --> 01:37:13.336
who are the people that um answer these

2330
01:37:13.360 --> 01:37:15.976
surveys you know there's and and

2331
01:37:16.000 --> 01:37:18.536
probably part of the reason is is um

2332
01:37:18.560 --> 01:37:20.376
right now I'm beingounded because I told

2333
01:37:20.400 --> 01:37:23.400
a solar person I was looking at solar

2334
01:37:23.760 --> 01:37:26.760
i know better than

2335
01:37:28.600 --> 01:37:31.600
that um today the woman who works for me

2336
01:37:32.239 --> 01:37:34.856
said "Stop calling." And I told him the

2337
01:37:34.880 --> 01:37:37.880
same thing so you know you're right we

2338
01:37:38.000 --> 01:37:39.976
don't answer phone calls i I've got

2339
01:37:40.000 --> 01:37:41.256
numerous phone calls I don't take

2340
01:37:41.280 --> 01:37:42.456
because I don't know where they're from

2341
01:37:42.480 --> 01:37:43.896
and I don't take phone calls from people

2342
01:37:43.920 --> 01:37:46.920
I don't know anymore so yeah like I said

2343
01:37:46.960 --> 01:37:48.615
it it's I don't know what to say i don't

2344
01:37:48.639 --> 01:37:51.336
know what it says but out of 7,000 phone

2345
01:37:51.360 --> 01:37:53.496
numbers only 300 people responded i

2346
01:37:53.520 --> 01:37:55.736
don't know what that says

2347
01:37:55.760 --> 01:37:58.296
councelor Keygan

2348
01:37:58.320 --> 01:38:01.320
thank you uh for that on page whilst I

2349
01:38:02.880 --> 01:38:04.936
take the concerns uh that some

2350
01:38:04.960 --> 01:38:06.615
counselors have raised in relation to

2351
01:38:06.639 --> 01:38:09.639
the methodology of using phone numbers

2352
01:38:11.000 --> 01:38:12.816
um there

2353
01:38:12.840 --> 01:38:15.840
were 1,020 people who did actually

2354
01:38:16.960 --> 01:38:19.655
answer their phone and then refused to

2355
01:38:19.679 --> 01:38:22.376
engage in the survey

2356
01:38:22.400 --> 01:38:25.175
um and 102 people requested a call back

2357
01:38:25.199 --> 01:38:28.056
at another time and that resulted in the

2358
01:38:28.080 --> 01:38:29.576
300

2359
01:38:29.600 --> 01:38:32.600
um sample size that we received um

2360
01:38:34.000 --> 01:38:37.000
however the results do go through um the

2361
01:38:39.360 --> 01:38:41.976
so all of the graphs that counselors

2362
01:38:42.000 --> 01:38:45.000
would have looked at have a 95%

2363
01:38:45.360 --> 01:38:48.056
confidence interval which is the margin

2364
01:38:48.080 --> 01:38:50.536
of error um and that is all clearly

2365
01:38:50.560 --> 01:38:53.560
explained on page 269 that indicates uh

2366
01:38:55.119 --> 01:38:58.119
that these results are actually weighted

2367
01:38:58.719 --> 01:39:01.016
by age and gender to ensure that they

2368
01:39:01.040 --> 01:39:01.695
are

2369
01:39:01.719 --> 01:39:04.719
proportionally representative of our

2370
01:39:04.800 --> 01:39:07.800
community so I think before we

2371
01:39:08.719 --> 01:39:10.695
potentially dismiss these results

2372
01:39:10.719 --> 01:39:13.719
because only 300 people undertook these

2373
01:39:14.400 --> 01:39:17.400
results the methodology that was used

2374
01:39:17.880 --> 01:39:20.880
actually does provide a representative

2375
01:39:21.960 --> 01:39:24.960
sample of the Burnie

2376
01:39:25.000 --> 01:39:28.000
residents that's all I wanted to say

2377
01:39:28.080 --> 01:39:29.736
just a point of order i'm not I'm not

2378
01:39:29.760 --> 01:39:31.175
dismissing the results i'm just saying

2379
01:39:31.199 --> 01:39:32.695
it's disappointing that more people

2380
01:39:32.719 --> 01:39:35.655
didn't respond sure thank you

2381
01:39:35.679 --> 01:39:38.536
okay I'll put this motion all those in

2382
01:39:38.560 --> 01:39:40.776
favor please raise your right hand thank

2383
01:39:40.800 --> 01:39:43.416
you that's unanimous now we have the

2384
01:39:43.440 --> 01:39:46.440
general manager report page

2385
01:39:47.800 --> 01:39:50.456
369 thank you councelor P's moving

2386
01:39:50.480 --> 01:39:53.175
seconding councelor Aken any questions

2387
01:39:53.199 --> 01:39:56.199
or comments on this no put the motion

2388
01:39:56.719 --> 01:39:58.135
all those in favor please raise your

2389
01:39:58.159 --> 01:40:01.159
right hand thank you that's unanimous

2390
01:40:01.280 --> 01:40:03.256
you have the general manager's quarterly

2391
01:40:03.280 --> 01:40:05.776
report for works and services page

2392
01:40:05.800 --> 01:40:08.296
379 thank you councelor Keygan moving

2393
01:40:08.320 --> 01:40:10.376
seconding councelor Peas councelor

2394
01:40:10.400 --> 01:40:11.655
Keygan would you like to speak to that

2395
01:40:11.679 --> 01:40:13.496
uh yes thank you i just have some

2396
01:40:13.520 --> 01:40:16.520
questions on page

2397
01:40:17.960 --> 01:40:20.960
380 uh the first question is in relation

2398
01:40:21.360 --> 01:40:24.360
to the active transport strategy could

2399
01:40:25.520 --> 01:40:28.376
we have an update on the working group

2400
01:40:28.400 --> 01:40:31.336
please because I note that the draft

2401
01:40:31.360 --> 01:40:34.360
strategy is underway um

2402
01:40:37.520 --> 01:40:39.736
yep so through you may so um at the

2403
01:40:39.760 --> 01:40:41.896
moment we've uh closed nominations for

2404
01:40:41.920 --> 01:40:43.175
the working group and we're just working

2405
01:40:43.199 --> 01:40:45.896
through the um applicable members for

2406
01:40:45.920 --> 01:40:47.816
that um for the active transport

2407
01:40:47.840 --> 01:40:49.816
strategy itself they're just finalizing

2408
01:40:49.840 --> 01:40:52.215
the draft of the first round of

2409
01:40:52.239 --> 01:40:54.215
consultation great um we will then

2410
01:40:54.239 --> 01:40:56.296
review that as staff uh that will then

2411
01:40:56.320 --> 01:40:58.936
come to a counselor workshop for review

2412
01:40:58.960 --> 01:41:00.695
and the intention would be then the next

2413
01:41:00.719 --> 01:41:02.536
stage is that to go to a second round of

2414
01:41:02.560 --> 01:41:04.456
community consultation also work with

2415
01:41:04.480 --> 01:41:07.336
the working group on that as well to

2416
01:41:07.360 --> 01:41:10.360
develop that further excellent thank you

2417
01:41:10.600 --> 01:41:13.600
um Fortuna Road or Fortuna Avenue and

2418
01:41:14.239 --> 01:41:17.239
the West Park Grove

2419
01:41:18.960 --> 01:41:21.960
base material and asphalt ceiling um

2420
01:41:23.040 --> 01:41:26.040
noted that it's uh completing before

2421
01:41:26.520 --> 01:41:29.416
Easter has not not being an engineer and

2422
01:41:29.440 --> 01:41:31.016
knowing zero about roads except what

2423
01:41:31.040 --> 01:41:33.256
they feel like when you drive on them um

2424
01:41:33.280 --> 01:41:35.936
what what's the next step to

2425
01:41:35.960 --> 01:41:38.095
to fixing

2426
01:41:38.119 --> 01:41:40.615
that i feel like I need a back brace

2427
01:41:40.639 --> 01:41:43.416
every time I drive over that it's very

2428
01:41:43.440 --> 01:41:45.816
lumpy yeah so through you may um there

2429
01:41:45.840 --> 01:41:47.256
have been a couple of delays with the

2430
01:41:47.280 --> 01:41:49.175
project since writing of the report um

2431
01:41:49.199 --> 01:41:51.095
we have had those quite big bouts of

2432
01:41:51.119 --> 01:41:54.056
rain um that have delayed the ceiling

2433
01:41:54.080 --> 01:41:57.080
part so the base is down ceiling is

2434
01:41:57.280 --> 01:41:59.976
expected to be completed next week um

2435
01:42:00.000 --> 01:42:02.056
and then the outline parts are some

2436
01:42:02.080 --> 01:42:03.496
traffic islands that need to go in on

2437
01:42:03.520 --> 01:42:05.336
the approaches some line marking and the

2438
01:42:05.360 --> 01:42:07.576
plantings to finish out the project at

2439
01:42:07.600 --> 01:42:10.600
this stage um pending no more um larger

2440
01:42:11.520 --> 01:42:13.496
rains we would be expecting two to three

2441
01:42:13.520 --> 01:42:14.776
weeks to have the project fully

2442
01:42:14.800 --> 01:42:17.655
completed excellent thank you uh and

2443
01:42:17.679 --> 01:42:20.679
just last one on page 381

2444
01:42:20.880 --> 01:42:23.816
um just an update on the net ball

2445
01:42:23.840 --> 01:42:25.456
surfacing

2446
01:42:25.480 --> 01:42:28.480
um line marking and and the finalization

2447
01:42:29.040 --> 01:42:32.040
of that please yep so through you may um

2448
01:42:32.440 --> 01:42:35.440
the ceiling has started on I believe

2449
01:42:35.840 --> 01:42:37.256
three of the courts and that's been

2450
01:42:37.280 --> 01:42:38.856
completed now again there were some

2451
01:42:38.880 --> 01:42:40.615
temperature issues with the final seal

2452
01:42:40.639 --> 01:42:42.456
so for the top surface to go on we have

2453
01:42:42.480 --> 01:42:45.480
to have um sufficient temp and also any

2454
01:42:45.600 --> 01:42:47.976
rain wet events will will delay that

2455
01:42:48.000 --> 01:42:50.615
again the rain has caused that um at

2456
01:42:50.639 --> 01:42:53.576
this point in time the ceiling pending

2457
01:42:53.600 --> 01:42:55.496
weather will occur later this week early

2458
01:42:55.520 --> 01:42:57.095
next and by the end of next week that

2459
01:42:57.119 --> 01:42:58.936
will be completed and the project

2460
01:42:58.960 --> 01:43:01.256
finished thank you very much that's all

2461
01:43:01.280 --> 01:43:03.736
from me councelor please uh could

2462
01:43:03.760 --> 01:43:05.576
council officers please give an update

2463
01:43:05.600 --> 01:43:07.816
on our massive project that's been the

2464
01:43:07.840 --> 01:43:10.840
Burnie Arts and and just see how we're

2465
01:43:11.199 --> 01:43:13.175
going in terms of time and budget how

2466
01:43:13.199 --> 01:43:16.199
we're how we're

2467
01:43:16.280 --> 01:43:18.856
progressing through May um so at this

2468
01:43:18.880 --> 01:43:21.256
point um we have addressed some of the

2469
01:43:21.280 --> 01:43:23.416
unknown concerns in the in the last few

2470
01:43:23.440 --> 01:43:25.175
parts of the project so we have had

2471
01:43:25.199 --> 01:43:27.496
results in those which has been good um

2472
01:43:27.520 --> 01:43:29.496
progressing well with the remainder of

2473
01:43:29.520 --> 01:43:31.655
the timeline expectation is that we will

2474
01:43:31.679 --> 01:43:32.776
still complete before the end of

2475
01:43:32.800 --> 01:43:35.800
financial year um budgetwise there was a

2476
01:43:37.440 --> 01:43:39.816
slight overspend of around 100k at the

2477
01:43:39.840 --> 01:43:42.456
moment over the 20 million so um quite

2478
01:43:42.480 --> 01:43:44.776
within reason of the of the project um

2479
01:43:44.800 --> 01:43:46.536
and we're just working through what what

2480
01:43:46.560 --> 01:43:49.336
that looks like to resolve that's so

2481
01:43:49.360 --> 01:43:50.936
it's a $20 million project pretty much

2482
01:43:50.960 --> 01:43:53.336
and you think within $100,000 that's

2483
01:43:53.360 --> 01:43:55.496
extraordinary three yes at this stage

2484
01:43:55.520 --> 01:43:56.856
that's that is a pretty phenomenal

2485
01:43:56.880 --> 01:43:58.856
result really given the complexities and

2486
01:43:58.880 --> 01:44:01.095
difficulties with that so yeah congrat

2487
01:44:01.119 --> 01:44:04.119
if we can hold it to that well done

2488
01:44:05.119 --> 01:44:07.256
cancel Dorsey is that Luke to the Gateway

2489
01:44:07.280 --> 01:44:09.655
Project

2490
01:44:09.679 --> 01:44:12.215
but no I was actually on my I really

2491
01:44:12.239 --> 01:44:14.376
actually I hate talking about vandalism

2492
01:44:14.400 --> 01:44:17.400
because I think that feeds it um but

2493
01:44:17.679 --> 01:44:19.175
where do we clean up the graffiti is

2494
01:44:19.199 --> 01:44:21.976
that just on council buildings is that

2495
01:44:22.000 --> 01:44:23.496
because I mean there's graffiti all over

2496
01:44:23.520 --> 01:44:25.496
the place so and I'm not and I'm not

2497
01:44:25.520 --> 01:44:27.336
having a shot at at where it is or

2498
01:44:27.360 --> 01:44:29.816
anything but um I walk past heaps on my

2499
01:44:29.840 --> 01:44:32.216
on my way here every time

2500
01:44:32.240 --> 01:44:33.816
[Music]

2501
01:44:33.840 --> 01:44:35.655
yeah so through you mayor um yeah at

2502
01:44:35.679 --> 01:44:37.576
this point council only have authority

2503
01:44:37.600 --> 01:44:39.655
to do any any preventive works or or

2504
01:44:39.679 --> 01:44:42.056
repair works on on council property um

2505
01:44:42.080 --> 01:44:43.736
anything on a private business is up to

2506
01:44:43.760 --> 01:44:45.896
the the building owner yeah no I

2507
01:44:45.920 --> 01:44:47.336
understand that and what about state

2508
01:44:47.360 --> 01:44:49.976
property do we have

2509
01:44:50.000 --> 01:44:51.976
uh we we we can't again do that but

2510
01:44:52.000 --> 01:44:53.816
again we can direct that through um we

2511
01:44:53.840 --> 01:44:55.896
have built a good relationship up with

2512
01:44:55.920 --> 01:44:57.416
the with the manager of the department

2513
01:44:57.440 --> 01:44:58.856
of state growth for those areas and we

2514
01:44:58.880 --> 01:45:00.936
can relay those concerns through um or

2515
01:45:00.960 --> 01:45:02.536
alternatively if people do have issue

2516
01:45:02.560 --> 01:45:03.736
they can raise that directly with

2517
01:45:03.760 --> 01:45:05.175
department growth if I wanted to get

2518
01:45:05.199 --> 01:45:07.416
something done I can I can just write to

2519
01:45:07.440 --> 01:45:09.496
you and say that this is a problem here

2520
01:45:09.520 --> 01:45:11.336
you could write stat growth yes state

2521
01:45:11.360 --> 01:45:12.936
growth would be the preferred but yep if

2522
01:45:12.960 --> 01:45:15.095
if if people don't have a contact we can

2523
01:45:15.119 --> 01:45:17.856
forward that okay that's first

2524
01:45:17.880 --> 01:45:20.880
Um now that's gone away um public

2525
01:45:21.679 --> 01:45:24.679
toilets um is that one

2526
01:45:25.480 --> 01:45:28.480
numerous it was 2200

2527
01:45:39.520 --> 01:45:41.016
through mail i'll need to take that on

2528
01:45:41.040 --> 01:45:42.536
notice i'm not sure of the exact details

2529
01:45:42.560 --> 01:45:44.135
of that one um and you know I just

2530
01:45:44.159 --> 01:45:45.976
wanted to say how disappointing it was

2531
01:45:46.000 --> 01:45:48.776
for the charging points of the coastal

2532
01:45:48.800 --> 01:45:51.496
pathway seats you know that's that that

2533
01:45:51.520 --> 01:45:53.336
that's one of the cool features you know

2534
01:45:53.360 --> 01:45:54.376
that people can sit there and charge

2535
01:45:54.400 --> 01:45:55.976
their phones and and that people would

2536
01:45:56.000 --> 01:45:58.056
destroy those i find that very I find it

2537
01:45:58.080 --> 01:45:59.655
very distressing for some weird reason

2538
01:45:59.679 --> 01:46:02.679
but yeah that was all thank you

2539
01:46:02.719 --> 01:46:05.416
thanks Councelor Dorsey councelor Grave

2540
01:46:05.440 --> 01:46:07.655
uh question for the director of

2541
01:46:07.679 --> 01:46:09.976
operations through you Madame Mayor the

2542
01:46:10.000 --> 01:46:13.000
uh Mount Street 3M line roundabout been

2543
01:46:13.119 --> 01:46:14.776
completed for some time but there's a

2544
01:46:14.800 --> 01:46:16.776
hold up on the lighting just wanted an

2545
01:46:16.800 --> 01:46:19.800
update on that

2546
01:46:20.159 --> 01:46:22.456
yep so through you may um the delay with

2547
01:46:22.480 --> 01:46:24.215
that is um we're just working with TAZ

2548
01:46:24.239 --> 01:46:25.896
networks on the lighting assets so

2549
01:46:25.920 --> 01:46:27.655
there's um some infrastructure that they

2550
01:46:27.679 --> 01:46:29.336
need to provide and be supported within

2551
01:46:29.360 --> 01:46:31.576
that um there was some variations during

2552
01:46:31.600 --> 01:46:33.655
the build um that cause a delay in

2553
01:46:33.679 --> 01:46:35.416
notification process in that so again

2554
01:46:35.440 --> 01:46:36.856
we're just waiting for them to finalize

2555
01:46:36.880 --> 01:46:38.456
plan so we can proceed with that part of

2556
01:46:38.480 --> 01:46:41.480
the install

2557
01:46:41.600 --> 01:46:44.456
okay any other questions i'll put this

2558
01:46:44.480 --> 01:46:46.456
motion all those in favor please raise

2559
01:46:46.480 --> 01:46:48.655
your right hand thank you that's

2560
01:46:48.679 --> 01:46:50.615
unanimous okay we have the general

2561
01:46:50.639 --> 01:46:52.215
manager's quarterly information report

2562
01:46:52.239 --> 01:46:55.135
for land and environmental services page

2563
01:46:55.159 --> 01:46:57.655
389 thank you councelor Keygan moving

2564
01:46:57.679 --> 01:47:00.376
councelor Aken seconding are there any

2565
01:47:00.400 --> 01:47:03.400
questions councelor Keygan uh yes um

2566
01:47:03.440 --> 01:47:06.296
happy for this to be taken on notice

2567
01:47:06.320 --> 01:47:09.320
just relates to page 394

2568
01:47:09.840 --> 01:47:12.840
uh in relation to the land use permit

2569
01:47:13.639 --> 01:47:16.639
applications um could councilors receive

2570
01:47:17.520 --> 01:47:20.056
information pertaining to the number of

2571
01:47:20.080 --> 01:47:21.736
residential dwellings that have been

2572
01:47:21.760 --> 01:47:24.760
approved for visitor accommodation usage

2573
01:47:26.960 --> 01:47:29.336
um over the previous calendar year and

2574
01:47:29.360 --> 01:47:31.576
then year to date for this financial

2575
01:47:31.600 --> 01:47:32.416
year

2576
01:47:32.440 --> 01:47:35.440
please thank you

2577
01:47:35.520 --> 01:47:37.095
through me yes we'll need to take that

2578
01:47:37.119 --> 01:47:38.936
on notice and provide that information

2579
01:47:38.960 --> 01:47:41.016
we can do so

2580
01:47:41.040 --> 01:47:42.856
there any other questions pertaining to

2581
01:47:42.880 --> 01:47:45.880
this motion i'll put the motion all

2582
01:47:46.080 --> 01:47:47.655
those in favor please raise your right

2583
01:47:47.679 --> 01:47:49.936
hand thank you that is

2584
01:47:49.960 --> 01:47:52.135
unanimous general manager's quarterly

2585
01:47:52.159 --> 01:47:53.736
report for corporate and commercial

2586
01:47:53.760 --> 01:47:56.760
services page 399

2587
01:47:57.040 --> 01:47:59.736
can I have a mover please councelor P's

2588
01:47:59.760 --> 01:48:02.536
moving that seconded councelor Aken any

2589
01:48:02.560 --> 01:48:04.215
questions or comments thanks Councelor

2590
01:48:04.239 --> 01:48:06.776
Peas uh look just a couple and I suppose

2591
01:48:06.800 --> 01:48:08.296
pleasingly we're on track for another

2592
01:48:08.320 --> 01:48:09.816
underlying surplus i think that's

2593
01:48:09.840 --> 01:48:11.256
probably the most significant thing that

2594
01:48:11.280 --> 01:48:13.016
shows there it has been a bit

2595
01:48:13.040 --> 01:48:14.615
frustrating and I'm sure council

2596
01:48:14.639 --> 01:48:16.776
officers are frustrated as well in that

2597
01:48:16.800 --> 01:48:18.376
the budget seems to vary quite a bit

2598
01:48:18.400 --> 01:48:21.336
from quarter to quarter but that's I

2599
01:48:21.360 --> 01:48:22.376
suppose that's how it works the other

2600
01:48:22.400 --> 01:48:24.936
the other thing that is that must

2601
01:48:24.960 --> 01:48:26.536
tempered a bit is we won't complete the

2602
01:48:26.560 --> 01:48:29.416
capital works program but um I think

2603
01:48:29.440 --> 01:48:30.776
there are a number of underlying reasons

2604
01:48:30.800 --> 01:48:33.496
for that one area that I would I do

2605
01:48:33.520 --> 01:48:36.520
think we need to focus on um is page 411

2606
01:48:36.960 --> 01:48:39.336
we've got a lot of uh consultants costs

2607
01:48:39.360 --> 01:48:42.360
and we consistently underestimate those

2608
01:48:42.400 --> 01:48:44.456
and maybe the director of operations can

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01:48:44.480 --> 01:48:47.480
speak to this but has that been due to

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01:48:47.920 --> 01:48:50.920
um a change of scope of work or just our

2611
01:48:51.600 --> 01:48:53.816
workforce itself having to contract more

2612
01:48:53.840 --> 01:48:55.976
out or but there does seem to have been

2613
01:48:56.000 --> 01:48:59.000
some significant variations in that area

2614
01:49:00.000 --> 01:49:02.776
so through you may um it's a culmination

2615
01:49:02.800 --> 01:49:05.416
of those things um so as you're aware we

2616
01:49:05.440 --> 01:49:08.135
are trying to transition to um a 4-year

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01:49:08.159 --> 01:49:10.376
program and do planning and and design

2618
01:49:10.400 --> 01:49:12.615
in advance um a lot of this comes from

2619
01:49:12.639 --> 01:49:14.376
trying to design and construct within a

2620
01:49:14.400 --> 01:49:16.296
a 12-month period so at the best we have

2621
01:49:16.320 --> 01:49:18.776
estimates instead of good quantity

2622
01:49:18.800 --> 01:49:20.776
assessments done to understand those

2623
01:49:20.800 --> 01:49:23.800
costs um we also within the last two to

2624
01:49:24.000 --> 01:49:25.736
three years have lost a lot of um

2625
01:49:25.760 --> 01:49:27.336
experienced staff within the technical

2626
01:49:27.360 --> 01:49:29.896
services so we do have um newer staff

2627
01:49:29.920 --> 01:49:31.976
coming in who aren't as established um

2628
01:49:32.000 --> 01:49:33.496
so there is a transition of some of the

2629
01:49:33.520 --> 01:49:35.336
work need to be consulted out for a more

2630
01:49:35.360 --> 01:49:36.615
experienced person while we develop

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01:49:36.639 --> 01:49:39.296
those internal staff up excellent thank

2632
01:49:39.320 --> 01:49:42.320
you councelor Dorsey can you um give us a

2633
01:49:43.840 --> 01:49:45.376
estimate on when

2634
01:49:45.400 --> 01:49:48.400
the retaining wall it Hman Street will

2635
01:49:49.440 --> 01:49:52.416
be

2636
01:49:52.440 --> 01:49:55.095
completed through you may I'd have to

2637
01:49:55.119 --> 01:49:57.816
just shore the exact data up but from my

2638
01:49:57.840 --> 01:50:00.376
understanding it would be um completed a

2639
01:50:00.400 --> 01:50:03.400
rough estimate by the end of next month

2640
01:50:04.960 --> 01:50:06.215
could you describe the scope of the

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01:50:06.239 --> 01:50:09.016
works and why it's taken so long you

2642
01:50:09.040 --> 01:50:11.736
know within reason of course for a quick

2643
01:50:11.760 --> 01:50:14.760
overview the issue is um it's

2644
01:50:14.960 --> 01:50:17.496
exacerbated through um a a failure on

2645
01:50:17.520 --> 01:50:20.520
the retaining wall um naturally that

2646
01:50:20.639 --> 01:50:21.976
started quite small but as we've done

2647
01:50:22.000 --> 01:50:24.056
the investigative works on that that has

2648
01:50:24.080 --> 01:50:26.135
expanded quite out to be um out to be

2649
01:50:26.159 --> 01:50:27.256
quite a significant amount of

2650
01:50:27.280 --> 01:50:29.416
remediation work to not only repair the

2651
01:50:29.440 --> 01:50:31.655
wall but ensure it's future proofed for

2652
01:50:31.679 --> 01:50:33.655
any future slippage so again that's just

2653
01:50:33.679 --> 01:50:35.896
been one that has started as a small job

2654
01:50:35.920 --> 01:50:38.456
but it's just grown out of necessity

2655
01:50:38.480 --> 01:50:40.056
from the um from the requirements to

2656
01:50:40.080 --> 01:50:43.080
remediate yeah I look at it every day

2657
01:50:43.840 --> 01:50:46.576
yeah that's one reason I'm asking

2658
01:50:46.600 --> 01:50:49.600
microphone on okay are there any other

2659
01:50:50.000 --> 01:50:52.056
questions to this motion all right I'll

2660
01:50:52.080 --> 01:50:53.976
put the motion all those in favor please

2661
01:50:54.000 --> 01:50:56.736
raise your right hand thank you that's

2662
01:50:56.760 --> 01:50:59.175
unanimous communications journal for

2663
01:50:59.199 --> 01:51:02.199
April page 428

2664
01:51:02.560 --> 01:51:04.456
can I have a mover and second please

2665
01:51:04.480 --> 01:51:06.215
thank you councelor Keygan seconded

2666
01:51:06.239 --> 01:51:08.695
councelor Aen any questions or comments

2667
01:51:08.719 --> 01:51:09.856
on

2668
01:51:09.880 --> 01:51:12.880
this okay councelor Keygan thank you for

2669
01:51:13.119 --> 01:51:16.119
that um just to the general manager

2670
01:51:16.880 --> 01:51:19.880
through you mayor the um responses or

2671
01:51:21.520 --> 01:51:23.135
sorry the

2672
01:51:23.159 --> 01:51:26.056
um submissions that council made in

2673
01:51:26.080 --> 01:51:29.080
relation to the meeting procedures and

2674
01:51:29.280 --> 01:51:32.280
the changes to the electoral act when

2675
01:51:33.520 --> 01:51:35.496
are those or do you have any indication

2676
01:51:35.520 --> 01:51:38.520
of when those are coming out again in

2677
01:51:40.480 --> 01:51:43.480
like a proposed bill

2678
01:51:44.800 --> 01:51:46.536
through you may yes both discussion

2679
01:51:46.560 --> 01:51:48.856
papers outlined the time frames and the

2680
01:51:48.880 --> 01:51:51.095
next steps um now I don't have them in

2681
01:51:51.119 --> 01:51:53.336
front of me but um they are available

2682
01:51:53.360 --> 01:51:55.416
and I'm um happy to circulate that's

2683
01:51:55.440 --> 01:51:57.256
fine I can look that up if yeah that's

2684
01:51:57.280 --> 01:51:59.976
fine thank you there any other questions

2685
01:52:00.000 --> 01:52:02.376
or comments for this motion thank you

2686
01:52:02.400 --> 01:52:05.400
councelor Peas

2687
01:52:08.400 --> 01:52:10.936
as a matter of interest uh I wasn't able

2688
01:52:10.960 --> 01:52:12.536
to meet when the premier and cabinet

2689
01:52:12.560 --> 01:52:15.560
were here but I do note uh in the

2690
01:52:15.679 --> 01:52:18.679
premier's response to council as listed

2691
01:52:19.520 --> 01:52:21.016
the discussion on the Cam River Bridge

2692
01:52:21.040 --> 01:52:22.376
is important and we're looking forward

2693
01:52:22.400 --> 01:52:24.376
to commencing work on a potential bypass

2694
01:52:24.400 --> 01:52:27.215
from Burnie to Doctor's Rocks

2695
01:52:27.239 --> 01:52:30.239
um is council aware of any discussion

2696
01:52:31.520 --> 01:52:34.376
where this has come from or any history

2697
01:52:34.400 --> 01:52:36.615
background or anything thank you

2698
01:52:36.639 --> 01:52:38.856
councelor Pe we are not aware that

2699
01:52:38.880 --> 01:52:40.936
conversation wasn't raised uh when

2700
01:52:40.960 --> 01:52:43.416
cabinet was with us i was surprised to

2701
01:52:43.440 --> 01:52:45.095
see that inclusion within the premier's

2702
01:52:45.119 --> 01:52:47.416
letter um that that was we were not

2703
01:52:47.440 --> 01:52:49.736
appraised of that intention uh it was

2704
01:52:49.760 --> 01:52:52.615
not discussed so uh I'm not sure if in

2705
01:52:52.639 --> 01:52:54.536
fact it was meant to be included within

2706
01:52:54.560 --> 01:52:56.536
the letter i'm I'm uncertain and I'm yet

2707
01:52:56.560 --> 01:52:59.496
to clarify whether that was a legitimate

2708
01:52:59.520 --> 01:53:02.520
hope for the current state

2709
01:53:02.840 --> 01:53:04.936
government okay are there any other

2710
01:53:04.960 --> 01:53:06.496
questions for this

2711
01:53:06.520 --> 01:53:09.376
motion all right i can see some shocked

2712
01:53:09.400 --> 01:53:12.056
faces i'll put this motion all those in

2713
01:53:12.080 --> 01:53:14.376
favor please raise your right hand thank

2714
01:53:14.400 --> 01:53:17.400
you that is unanimous we have the Burnie

2715
01:53:18.000 --> 01:53:20.776
City Youth Council unconfirmed minutes

2716
01:53:20.800 --> 01:53:22.856
page 440

2717
01:53:22.880 --> 01:53:25.655
moved by councelor Simpson deputy mayor

2718
01:53:25.679 --> 01:53:28.215
seconded councelor Grave councelor

2719
01:53:28.239 --> 01:53:30.936
Simpson please thank you Mayor um just

2720
01:53:30.960 --> 01:53:33.416
wanted to note I'm sure um all the

2721
01:53:33.440 --> 01:53:35.175
councils have read the minutes um of

2722
01:53:35.199 --> 01:53:37.496
course but uh just wanted to pay homage

2723
01:53:37.520 --> 01:53:39.816
to the 16 youth counselors that put

2724
01:53:39.840 --> 01:53:41.575
their hand up for the positions on youth

2725
01:53:41.599 --> 01:53:44.056
council this year and uh just want to

2726
01:53:44.080 --> 01:53:46.256
formally congratulate our youth mayor

2727
01:53:46.280 --> 01:53:49.280
Suli Kuratani from Mars Regional College

2728
01:53:49.840 --> 01:53:52.056
our deputy youth mayor Ava Foster from

2729
01:53:52.080 --> 01:53:55.080
Parkland's High School um junior deputy

2730
01:53:55.599 --> 01:53:57.256
mayor Parker Dennis from the tone

2731
01:53:57.280 --> 01:54:00.280
primary school sports leader Leo Cocka

2732
01:54:00.400 --> 01:54:02.856
from Kur Primary our research officer

2733
01:54:02.880 --> 01:54:04.776
now this is a new role this year

2734
01:54:04.800 --> 01:54:06.695
research officer is Tom House from

2735
01:54:06.719 --> 01:54:09.719
Stella Mars and the self-proclaimed Jedi

2736
01:54:10.000 --> 01:54:12.135
master is CJ Cole from Birdie High

2737
01:54:12.159 --> 01:54:13.976
School so I just really want to

2738
01:54:14.000 --> 01:54:15.736
congratulate all of the counselors for

2739
01:54:15.760 --> 01:54:18.056
being on council um but also the ones

2740
01:54:18.080 --> 01:54:19.896
for putting their hand up to nominate

2741
01:54:19.920 --> 01:54:22.135
and uh this year they're dedicating

2742
01:54:22.159 --> 01:54:25.159
their focus uh for 2025 towards mental

2743
01:54:25.280 --> 01:54:27.496
health and uh this is the voice of our

2744
01:54:27.520 --> 01:54:28.856
young people and this is what they're

2745
01:54:28.880 --> 01:54:30.456
focusing on so I just want to thank them

2746
01:54:30.480 --> 01:54:32.296
all for the work that they're already

2747
01:54:32.320 --> 01:54:35.320
doing and will continue to do for 2025

2748
01:54:35.840 --> 01:54:37.896
thank you so much councelor Simpson I

2749
01:54:37.920 --> 01:54:39.736
will also add that the Burnie Youth

2750
01:54:39.760 --> 01:54:42.695
Council is facilitated by Burnie Works

2751
01:54:42.719 --> 01:54:44.615
here in Burnie and the staff do a

2752
01:54:44.639 --> 01:54:47.016
tremendous job uh of facilitating the

2753
01:54:47.040 --> 01:54:48.615
young people and ensuring that their

2754
01:54:48.639 --> 01:54:50.376
voices are heard and that they are the

2755
01:54:50.400 --> 01:54:52.376
ones that come up with their agenda and

2756
01:54:52.400 --> 01:54:54.695
their plan for what is discussed so it

2757
01:54:54.719 --> 01:54:57.336
isn't an adult dominated conversation in

2758
01:54:57.360 --> 01:54:59.575
fact it's derived from the students

2759
01:54:59.599 --> 01:55:01.575
themselves so it's very well facilitated

2760
01:55:01.599 --> 01:55:04.599
congratulations also to Burnie Works are

2761
01:55:04.639 --> 01:55:06.215
there any other questions or comments on

2762
01:55:06.239 --> 01:55:09.095
this motion i'll put the motion all

2763
01:55:09.119 --> 01:55:10.695
those in favor please raise your right

2764
01:55:10.719 --> 01:55:13.719
hand thank you that's unanimous now

2765
01:55:14.080 --> 01:55:16.776
there being no non-aggenda items I'd

2766
01:55:16.800 --> 01:55:19.800
like to declare the meeting closed at

2767
01:55:20.520 --> 01:55:22.376
8:55 thank you so much for your

2768
01:55:22.400 --> 01:55:25.400
attendance here this evening